Talk me out of a Steyr rifle

[Zee]

Not that I'm looking, but:

https://www.mkmachining.com/product/aud ... zle-brake/

Yeah……no.

Baffle Brakes are much mo betta in every aspect.

[Diver43]

If your primary intent is killing paper, maybe a carry-weight sporting rifle isn't the ideal option.

Agreed. I've got chassis rifles, quite a few heavy varmint style rifles, etc. Just looking to fill the .308 Win void and probably won't do it with another chassis rifle. Bergara HMR is also under consideration.

I can tell you, the Bergara B-14 HMR in .308 is accurate out of the box. It shoots 168 gr ELD-M ammo where you aim it .
For some reason ELD- shoots a 3 inch pattern. Was on Steele at 700 my first time.

[CPJ 2.0]

And the slow twist doesn’t matter unless you are loading heavy 308 bullets.

I don’t load heavy bullets in my .308s and I still prefer an 8T!

Why?

[Zee]

And the slow twist doesn’t matter unless you are loading heavy 308 bullets.

I don’t load heavy bullets in my .308s and I still prefer an 8T!

Why?

I can go with a shorter barrel and gain some velocity/stability back with a faster twist at distance.
Look up Todd Hodnet on YouTube about it.

[Zee]

https://youtu.be/VA7H9tDfm_c?si=L1gG-EUUp8VAOxa-

[CPJ 2.0]

I don’t load heavy bullets in my .308s and I still prefer an 8T!

Why?

I can go with a shorter barrel and gain some velocity/stability back with a faster twist at distance.
Look up Todd Hodnet on YouTube about it.

I'll buy the stability with slower speeds because of less length, but I’ll kiss your ass if you get velocity back given the same length barrel with one having a faster twist.
Something I’ll to see to believe.
Or, maybe I WANT to nuzzle up close your backside.

[Zee]

https://youtu.be/mIQwdO07Jv0?si=IE9nQJATXRyYLJd8

[Zee]

https://tacticalskeleton.com/blog/7/bar ... rel%20life.

“ In addition, a faster twist rate can also result in a higher muzzle velocity. This is because the bullet is stabilized more quickly, allowing the propellant gases to act on the projectile for a longer period of time. This, in turn, increases the amount of force applied to the bullet, resulting in higher velocity.”

[CPJ 2.0]

https://tacticalskeleton.com/blog/7/bar ... rel%20life.

“ In addition, a faster twist rate can also result in a higher muzzle velocity. This is because the bullet is stabilized more quickly, allowing the propellant gases to act on the projectile for a longer period of time. This, in turn, increases the amount of force applied to the bullet, resulting in higher velocity.”

Horse poop.

It’s time in the barrel, period. It won’t stabilize faster IN THE BARREL with a faster twist. It’s as stable as it will ever be, while in the barrel. A 10 twist is as stable as an 8 twist….when it’s confined within the barrel.
Once the bullet exits and is flying (where we are concerned about being stable) it’s done accelerating.


Now, if they say the faster twist makes it remain in the barrel LONGER or increases pressure, I’ll buy it.

But because it’s more stable? Pffft.

[CPJ 2.0]

“ However, it is important to note that a faster twist rate can also result in increased barrel wear and reduced barrel life. This is because the increased pressure and force applied to the rifling can cause it to wear out more quickly.”


The last sentence I’ll buy. But stabilizing faster don’t make it faster.
A by product of increased pressure? Sure. But has zero to die with stabilization.

[Zee]

I agree with what you said. Faster twist, more resistance, more pressure, more velocity. Stability comes a factor outside the barrel.

[jkp]

Bergara!

Decided on Bergara HMR. Will be a bit before I order.

Looking hard at Vortex Venom 5-25 - any concerns with that?

Also thinking this brake would do well:

https://rouschsports.com/shop/ak-47/ak- ... k-nitride/

[CPJ 2.0]

Sit tight on the scope.
Lemme find an email.

[CPJ 2.0]

https://www.eurooptic.com/Vortex-Viper- ... e=omnisend

[Diver43]

Bergara!

Decided on Bergara HMR. Will be a bit before I order.

Looking hard at Vortex Venom 5-25 - any concerns with that?

Also thinking this brake would do well:

https://rouschsports.com/shop/ak-47/ak- ... k-nitride/

Badger Ordnance micro brake. Was suggested by Z. Just shot it on my .308 HMR. It works great and does not detract from the looks of the rifle by making it look like a howitzer barrel.

[jkp]

https://www.eurooptic.com/Vortex-Viper- ... e=omnisend

Thanks!

So that begs the question is Viper Gen1 better than Venom?

Features of the Vortex Viper PST Riflescope:
XD Lens Elements
XR Fully Multi-Coated anti-reflective lenses
First Focal Plane, glass-etched, illuminated reticle
ArmorTek Scratch resistant exterior lens coating
Waterproof
Fog Proof
Shockproof

Features of the Vortex Venom 5-25x56mm Riflescope:
Vortex exclusive RevStop zero stop system
First Focal Plane EBR-7C reticle
XD optical system
Exposed turrets
5x – 25x magnification range
Available in MOA and MRAD

I do like having a zero stop. Illuminated reticle on this rifle won't do anything for me.

[Diver43]

https://www.eurooptic.com/Vortex-Viper- ... e=omnisend

Thanks!

So that begs the question is Viper Gen1 better than Venom?

Features of the Vortex Viper PST Riflescope:
XD Lens Elements
XR Fully Multi-Coated anti-reflective lenses
First Focal Plane, glass-etched, illuminated reticle
ArmorTek Scratch resistant exterior lens coating
Waterproof
Fog Proof
Shockproof

Features of the Vortex Venom 5-25x56mm Riflescope:
Vortex exclusive RevStop zero stop system
First Focal Plane EBR-7C reticle
XD optical system
Exposed turrets
5x – 25x magnification range
Available in MOA and MRAD

I do like having a zero stop. Illuminated reticle on this rifle won't do anything for me.

I have the Viper-M-06MD 6.5-20x50 mil dot
SFP.

It has been used for taking game and shooting out to 700 yards successfully.

I think FFP is great in bright sun for targets but in lower light not so good with game or targets. The Viper is smaller and has smoother lines than the Venom which for targets only may be just fine or even better to some
I have looked side by side and could not tell a difference in the glass

[CPJ 2.0]

https://www.eurooptic.com/Vortex-Viper- ... e=omnisend

Thanks!

So that begs the question is Viper Gen1 better than Venom?

Features of the Vortex Viper PST Riflescope:
XD Lens Elements
XR Fully Multi-Coated anti-reflective lenses
First Focal Plane, glass-etched, illuminated reticle
ArmorTek Scratch resistant exterior lens coating
Waterproof
Fog Proof
Shockproof

Features of the Vortex Venom 5-25x56mm Riflescope:
Vortex exclusive RevStop zero stop system
First Focal Plane EBR-7C reticle
XD optical system
Exposed turrets
5x – 25x magnification range
Available in MOA and MRAD

I do like having a zero stop. Illuminated reticle on this rifle won't do anything for me.

Good question. Ima ponder on my drive home on a new topic that’s sure to make some people irritated.

[shotgunshooter3]

The Venom is made in China, and the Viper is made in the Philippines, if that matters to you.

[Diver43]

Good question. Ima ponder on my drive home on a new topic that’s sure to make some people irritated.
[/quote]

You irritate someone? NAH never happen

[Gene L]

I had one in .308. It was accurate enough, but not stellar. The barrel was too skinny for me, but I'm a Neanderthal when it comes to bolt rifles

[jkp]

OK, I narrowed it down to the Strike Eagle and Vector, both 5-25x56. Some guy on the internet suggested I call Vortex and ask about the difference in the two...Pffftt... I called them anyway and spoke with a very helpful Mike.

- They are optically similar
- SE has illuminated reticle, locking turrets (cool but I don't need)
- SE has a wider range of adjustment; 31 mils / 110 MOA vs 25 mils / 85 MOA for the Vector
- SE has a wider field of view 24-5.2' @ 100 yds vs 21-4.7'

All of this is on their website, but I was mainly fishing for any optical difference as I already knew the feature sets. Sounds like they are very similar. Don't believe I'll be needing more than 25 mils of adjustment with a 20 MOA base (yes I just mixed mils and MOA and nothing exploded) so the Venom is likely my best option all things considered.

[Zee]

I think you mean “venom”.


Figured the features as a given. Getting them to delve into the glass difference sometimes helps. Yeah, they can state coatings in the stats. But, what does all that mean? That’s why I call. Put them on the spot and make them put the difference in English.

[jkp]

Bergara!

Now that I have one, I get it! Never really handled one much but always coveted from afar. There's just nothing cheap anywhere on the rifle. Bolt is smooth (are you listening Ruger?), stock is rock solid, good for factory trigger...

Hope it's a shooter!

[Zee]

Bergara!

Now that I have one, I get it! Never really handled one much but always coveted from afar. There's just nothing cheap anywhere on the rifle. Bolt is smooth (are you listening Ruger?), stock is rock solid, good for factory trigger...

Hope it's a shooter!

That’s what sold me. While I DID change the trigger on mine to a 1lb two-stage (because I like them) the factory trigger was serviceable.
Everything else is good to go from the factory.