US judge tosses machine gun possession case, calls ban unconstitutional

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Just two hour ago on Reuters, interesting. Wonder where it’ll go…

https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-judge- ... 024-08-23/

From the article:

(Reuters) - A federal judge has dismissed charges against a Kansas man for possessing a machine gun, saying prosecutors failed to establish that a federal ban on owning such weapons is constitutional.

“The decision by U.S. District Judge John Broomes in Wichita on Wednesday appeared to mark the first time a court has held that banning machine guns is unconstitutional after the conservative-majority U.S. Supreme Court in 2022 issued a landmark ruling that expanded gun rights.

In that ruling, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association v. Bruen, the Supreme Court established a new test for assessing firearms laws, saying restrictions must be "consistent with this nation's historical tradition of firearm regulation."”

“Morgan was indicted last year on charges that he illegally possessed a machine gun and a machine gun conversion device known as a "Glock switch."

Congress first moved to limit machine guns through the National Firearms Act in 1934, which was enacted after the weapons became commonly used by criminals during the Prohibition Era. It later outright barred possessing them in 1986.

Prosecutors said the weapons at issue in Morgan's case did not fall within the protections of the U.S. Constitution's Second Amendment, which guarantees the right to keep and bear arms for self-defense.

But Broomes disagreed, saying the "the machinegun and Glock switch are bearable arms within the plain text of the Second Amendment."”
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Hopefully it goes someplace where we can call a Vickers Gun a Vickers Gun, instead of an espresso machine with a REALLY elaborate mechanism for boiling water. :lol:

About damn time we got some scrutiny on the legality of FDR's little piece of crap.
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He should get to keep his switch. I know that Congress passes laws, but even the NFA and GCA should have been null and void immediately when submitted as a bill.
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At least the judge was clear in stating that a machine gun is a bearable arm. Not a lot of wiggle room in the ruling. Should be good case law and make a lot of antis have a cardiac infraction. 🤣
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Interesting judgement. Your Second Amendment is based; as is a lot of your constitution, on the English Bill of Rights of 1689 which grants us 'the right to bear arms for self defence'. It still holds true. It is just that our Government decides to interpret that right somewhat differently. Be careful!
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T'owd Mon wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 3:21 pm Interesting judgement. Your Second Amendment is based; as is a lot of your constitution, on the English Bill of Rights of 1689 which grants us 'the right to bear arms for self defence'. It still holds true. It is just that our Government decides to interpret that right somewhat differently. Be careful!
Yeah, just saw this in the morning news. If zombies attack, you guys are screwed.
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God I feel sorry for people that live in that pussified country. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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What if you change the paracord from neon green to something else? OD green, black, or rainbow pride flag? Would that be the equally stupid equivalent of removing your pistol grip, flash hider, bayonet lug, grenade launcher spigot, and folding stock?

I mean, yeah, I'm sorta trying to be snarky, but at the same time, kinda putting it forward as a legitimate question. Is neon green the prime requisite of a "zombie knife"?
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They can have my Zombie-Style Knife when they pry my cold dead hands...
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The pacification of a nation is going well I see
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PFD45 wrote: Sun Aug 25, 2024 1:59 am They can have my Zombie-Style Knife when they pry my cold dead hands...
At that point, just bite them. Cause if you’re dead, and moving, you’re OBVIOUSLY a zombie. It’s math.
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We now have a Left Wing Socialist Government in charge with a large number of seats in the Houses of Parliament but with only 33% of the electorate vote. Comes from having a large number of political parties which split the voting. 'There may be trouble ahead'. Kier Starmer; now being dubbed Kier Stalin is about the most unpopular person in Parliament but we are stuck with him until the next elections in just under 5 years time. Unless there is a coup in his own party.
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T'owd Mon wrote: Sun Aug 25, 2024 2:14 pm We now have a Left Wing Socialist Government in charge with a large number of seats in the Houses of Parliament but with only 33% of the electorate vote. Comes from having a large number of political parties which split the voting. 'There may be trouble ahead'. Kier Starmer; now being dubbed Kier Stalin is about the most unpopular person in Parliament but we are stuck with him until the next elections in just under 5 years time. Unless there is a coup in his own party.
A bad politician backed by a bad political party can cause a whole lot of damage in five years.
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T'owd Mon wrote: Sun Aug 25, 2024 2:14 pm We now have a Left Wing Socialist Government in charge with a large number of seats in the Houses of Parliament but with only 33% of the electorate vote. Comes from having a large number of political parties which split the voting. 'There may be trouble ahead'. Kier Starmer; now being dubbed Kier Stalin is about the most unpopular person in Parliament but we are stuck with him until the next elections in just under 5 years time. Unless there is a coup in his own party.
And THIS is why every time someone says we are limited by only two parties I shiver. A large number of parties has never worked for ANY country and all it accomplishes is give a smaller group of fringe people a much easier way to gain control as they have in the UK, and other places like Venezuela and many other LATAM countries.

Basically a surefire way to socialism and progressive ideals to take root because they appeal to the largest lazy and morally lax segment of the population, AND those that see it as a straight path to controlling them as a herd.
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PFD45 wrote: Sun Aug 25, 2024 1:59 am They can have my Zombie-Style Knife when they pry my cold UN-dead REANIMATED hands...
Fixed it for ya.
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I hate to say it but France; our old enemy, has a better system where the two top scoring parties in the first round of the election then go head to head and those that voted for the lesser parties can go into the second round in a sort of two tier election.
What happened here was that a new party formed called the Reform party who are anti illegal immigration and they picked up a lot of the vote away from the Conservative party the result being that Labour got in with only 33% of the poll. The previous Labour government under Tony Blair banned hunting of wild mammals with dogs and only allowed it if no more than two dogs were used to flush a wild mammal which must be shot. Traditional fox hunting was therefore banned. Hound packs took to trail hunting with hounds following a scented rag. Starmer has pledged to ban that also now he is in. The constituency area I live in moved from Conservative to Labour and rest assured I will be a thorn in the side of my new M.P.!
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Some good information on why this doesn’t mean poop about fudge

https://youtu.be/AozSCIO88LM?si=WFTj3fXlo-8KwvUM
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CPJ 2.0 wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 7:48 pm Some good information on why this doesn’t mean poop about fudge

https://youtu.be/AozSCIO88LM?si=WFTj3fXlo-8KwvUM
Pretty much
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This is kind of related especially for Massachusetts with all the progressive liberals.
BTW it was a unanimous decision.

https://commonwealthbeacon.org/courts/s ... itutional/

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