Potential Project, Need Inspiration (Bolt Gun)

[shotgunshooter3]

Let's say, for discussion's sake, you might have a line on a very good deal on a Defiance action w/ a .378" (.223 Rem.) bolt face. With this potential deal, I'm pondering maybe jumping on it for a project.

However, what project would you pursue? Especially if you don't reload (or at least aren't set up to reload anytime soon).

The obvious answer is a heavy barreled, fast twist .223 with a short ish (20"?) barrel. But that's kind of boring.

Inspire me! I need ideas, and enabling.

[CPJ 2.0]

6 ARC.

[Varmintmist]

If you dont want boring you are going to reload. A 1:7-1:7.7-1:8 24in 224 in a good stock will be boring, until you reload 80/80.5 for mid range 3-5-600 and 85/85.5 for long range 8-9-1000. Then it will be plenty interesting.

[Wambli Ska]

Let's say, for discussion's sake, you might have a line on a very good deal on a Defiance action w/ a .378" (.223 Rem.) bolt face. With this potential deal, I'm pondering maybe jumping on it for a project.

However, what project would you pursue? Especially if you don't reload (or at least aren't set up to reload anytime soon).

The obvious answer is a heavy barreled, fast twist .223 with a short ish (20"?) barrel. But that's kind of boring.

Inspire me! I need ideas, and enabling.

And the envisioned use for this project gun will beeeeeeeeeeee??????????????????

[shotgunshooter3]

Let's say, for discussion's sake, you might have a line on a very good deal on a Defiance action w/ a .378" (.223 Rem.) bolt face. With this potential deal, I'm pondering maybe jumping on it for a project.

However, what project would you pursue? Especially if you don't reload (or at least aren't set up to reload anytime soon).

The obvious answer is a heavy barreled, fast twist .223 with a short ish (20"?) barrel. But that's kind of boring.

Inspire me! I need ideas, and enabling.

And the envisioned use for this project gun will beeeeeeeeeeee??????????????????

I haven't decided, that's half the fun. Either hunting or paper punching, which doesn't narrow it down at all.

[Wambli Ska]

Let's say, for discussion's sake, you might have a line on a very good deal on a Defiance action w/ a .378" (.223 Rem.) bolt face. With this potential deal, I'm pondering maybe jumping on it for a project.

However, what project would you pursue? Especially if you don't reload (or at least aren't set up to reload anytime soon).

The obvious answer is a heavy barreled, fast twist .223 with a short ish (20"?) barrel. But that's kind of boring.

Inspire me! I need ideas, and enabling.

And the envisioned use for this project gun will beeeeeeeeeeee??????????????????

I haven't decided, that's half the fun. Either hunting or paper punching, which doesn't narrow it down at all.

No, it really doesn’t

If it was me I’d build a stupid accurate long range target .223 because no chambering with a case with that base strikes me as anything but a very specialized hunting rig if you went that way. I’d go .223 because of the almost overwhelming availability of great components and loads. Then reload for or find a few one hole load to make me giggle every time I press the trigger and see the ragged little hole open up just a hair. BTW such a gun would make a good stationary hunting rig for deer and hogs using the right bullets.

Now which model of their actions are you getting? That kind’a adds to the equation.

[shotgunshooter3]

And the envisioned use for this project gun will beeeeeeeeeeee??????????????????

I haven't decided, that's half the fun. Either hunting or paper punching, which doesn't narrow it down at all.

No, it really doesn’t

If it was me I’d build a stupid accurate long range target .223 because no chambering with a case with that base strikes me as anything but a very specialized hunting rig if you went that way. I’d go .223 because of the almost overwhelming availability of great components and loads. Then reload for or find a few one hole load to make me giggle every time I press the trigger and see the ragged little hole open up just a hair. BTW such a gun would make a good stationary hunting rig for deer and hogs using the right bullets.

Now which model of their actions are you getting? That kind’a adds to the equation.

I'm leaning that way. Maybe a heavy barreled 20" .223 in a chassis. 1:8 or so twist.

IIRC it is the "Classic" action. https://defiancemachine.com/actions/classic/

[Wambli Ska]

That would be my build with a dedicated can and keep the weight in the 10-12lb range so with tripod scope etc you don’t need a cart and donkey to carry all your stuff around. Actually contemplating building something similar myself . Could double up as a nice desert varmint rig too when you take the Taco out to the nice open places.

[shotgunshooter3]

That would be my build with a dedicated can and keep the weight in the 10-12lb range so with tripod scope etc you don’t need a cart and donkey to carry all your stuff around. Actually contemplating building something similar myself . Could double up as a nice desert varmint rig too when you take the Taco out to the nice open places.

For better or worse I am somewhat bought into the SilencerCo can "Eco system" so it would get an ASR pattern muzzle brake. I do have a dedicated .224" sealed suppressor.

[Zee]

A 20” fast twist (7T) .223 is fun.

[jkp]

6 ARC.

That.

[GrapeApe]

Med contour, 8T .224" barrel
+
223 Wylde reamer
+
AR mag bottom metal
+
Stock/chassis of your choice
+
6-24x scope

[shotgunshooter3]

Apparently the Defiance Classic .223 action can't use AI mags, that really hinders options... hmmm.

[GrapeApe]

This says there IS a model that can
https://defiancemachine.com/actions/classic/

look at the bottom of the "options" carrot

Magazine Cut
BDL for use with hinged floorplate or center feed magazines (Wyatt’s cut)
AI/AW Short action only (DBM only)

[Wambli Ska]

Apparently the Defiance Classic .223 action can't use AI mags, that really hinders options... hmmm.

If only you had a super talented gunsmith that you could send your action and bottom metal to and he could work it so they fit together….. hummmmm what to do

[Bigslug]

Apparently the Defiance Classic .223 action can't use AI mags, that really hinders options... hmmm.

I'd do a 5.56, fast twist lightweight mountain rifle on their lightest possible action personally. . .with a hinged floorplate. I really liked everything about my Ruger Scout EXCEPT the detachable mags. I hunt with a Hawkeye now.

With the deep penetrating monometal bullets like Barnes, the .223 isn't necessarily just a varmint round anymore. Certainly, it'll do for deer.

One could certainly do an NRA 3-position rifle with detachable mags on some space gun chassis. . .if anybody actually still shoots Highpower with bolt guns anymore (I've been away a while).

[Varmintmist]

Apparently the Defiance Classic .223 action can't use AI mags, that really hinders options... hmmm.

I'd do a 5.56, fast twist lightweight mountain rifle on their lightest possible action personally. . .with a hinged floorplate. I really liked everything about my Ruger Scout EXCEPT the detachable mags. I hunt with a Hawkeye now.

With the deep penetrating monometal bullets like Barnes, the .223 isn't necessarily just a varmint round anymore. Certainly, it'll do for deer.

One could certainly do an NRA 3-position rifle with detachable mags on some space gun chassis. . .if anybody actually still shoots Highpower with bolt guns anymore (I've been away a while).

Match rifle class. I dont think an off the shelf regular action will do it. A mid range rifle that you could take to long would be possible.

[CPJ 2.0]

Apparently the Defiance Classic .223 action can't use AI mags, that really hinders options... hmmm.

I'd do a 5.56, fast twist lightweight mountain rifle on their lightest possible action personally. . .with a hinged floorplate. I really liked everything about my Ruger Scout EXCEPT the detachable mags. I hunt with a Hawkeye now.

With the deep penetrating monometal bullets like Barnes, the .223 isn't necessarily just a varmint round anymore. Certainly, it'll do for deer.

One could certainly do an NRA 3-position rifle with detachable mags on some space gun chassis. . .if anybody actually still shoots Highpower with bolt guns anymore (I've been away a while).

Match rifle class. I dont think an off the shelf regular action will do it. A mid range rifle that you could take to long would be possible.

I don’t think that I would call $1000 action “off the shelf”.

[Jay]

6 ARC.

That.

I would say “that” also, except that won’t work with a .378 bolt face.

If handloading was an option, I’d maybe consider building a varmint/predator rig in 20 Practical. Or for paper punching and medium size game, a 6x45. Just to do something different.

Without the option of being able to get a .441 bolt face and do 6 ARC, probably fast twist heavy barrel 223 would be the route to go. Fun, inexpensive to shoot and low recoil, making it a good training gun at the same time.

[CPJ 2.0]

.223 is actually what I’d do.

Fast twist barrels equals shoot whatever you want bullet wise, when you get back to reloading. Till then. .223 is cheap plinking ammo.

[CPJ 2.0]

Med contour, 8T .224" barrel
+
223 Wylde reamer
+
AR mag bottom metal
+
Stock/chassis of your choice
+
6-24x scope

Don’t think you can get AR bottom metal for a 700 footprint.

AI, yes.

But, it’s gonna be a chassis gun, so the “bottom Metal” is built in.

[CPJ 2.0]

Apparently the Defiance Classic .223 action can't use AI mags, that really hinders options... hmmm.

I'd do a 5.56, fast twist lightweight mountain rifle on their lightest possible action personally. . .with a hinged floorplate. I really liked everything about my Ruger Scout EXCEPT the detachable mags. I hunt with a Hawkeye now.

With the deep penetrating monometal bullets like Barnes, the .223 isn't necessarily just a varmint round anymore. Certainly, it'll do for deer.

One could certainly do an NRA 3-position rifle with detachable mags on some space gun chassis. . .if anybody actually still shoots Highpower with bolt guns anymore (I've been away a while).

Show me on this doll where detachable mags hurt you.

[Varmintmist]

I'd do a 5.56, fast twist lightweight mountain rifle on their lightest possible action personally. . .with a hinged floorplate. I really liked everything about my Ruger Scout EXCEPT the detachable mags. I hunt with a Hawkeye now.

With the deep penetrating monometal bullets like Barnes, the .223 isn't necessarily just a varmint round anymore. Certainly, it'll do for deer.

One could certainly do an NRA 3-position rifle with detachable mags on some space gun chassis. . .if anybody actually still shoots Highpower with bolt guns anymore (I've been away a while).

Match rifle class. I dont think an off the shelf regular action will do it. A mid range rifle that you could take to long would be possible.

I don’t think that I would call $1000 action “off the shelf”.

You need to look at what the match rifle guys are running. However he would need a detachable mag

[Wambli Ska]

Med contour, 8T .224" barrel
+
223 Wylde reamer
+
AR mag bottom metal
+
Stock/chassis of your choice
+
6-24x scope

Don’t think you can get AR bottom metal for a 700 footprint.

AI, yes.

But, it’s gonna be a chassis gun, so the “bottom Metal” is built in.

Good point, I wasn’t thinking built in mag well already a part of the chassis. So AI is basically it?

[CPJ 2.0]

Match rifle class. I dont think an off the shelf regular action will do it. A mid range rifle that you could take to long would be possible.

I don’t think that I would call $1000 action “off the shelf”.

You need to look at what the match rifle guys are running. However he would need a detachable mag

Well, I’m from Missouri. Sho-Me.