Shooting at Iran again

[breamfisher]

President said we've achieved total victory, so we'll keep bombing them to finish the job.

Rule number one of self defense. You stop shooting when the OTHER guy decides he's not a threat anymore. Someone really good on the subject told me that a few decades ago.

I get that. But you also don't declare a win before the other guy taps out.

[CPJ 2.0]

We are constantly fed so much propaganda that it's impossible to wade through what's real and fake, which is probably their intentions.

Gulf of Tonken Incident immediately comes to mind. There's also the released information about how the CIA planned on blowing up a US passenger jet to blame the Cubans so we could invade Cuba and kill Castro. I remember the lie about Russians killing some Ukranian soldiers on an island to garner sympathy from US supporters. Plenty more.

I don't do much propaganda or conspiracies. Fortunately because of my work I get to speak to real people all over the world every day and get their perspective. Spoke to a friend in the ME this morning. Irritated about the airport delays and such but as far as the "war", yep, one sided justified ass-kicking...

I gave up conspiracies a long time ago, but I acknowledge how much we have been lied to and gaslit by our government to the extent that now I dont believe what politicians or news tells me. I know we are over there bombing, but as to why is what I question.

I can go with a conspiracy theory if it’s plausible.
But lies and gaslighting….100% thats how ALL politicians and ALL media operate. All sides cater to their audience for votes/views. Some worse than others. Republicans and Fox News also.

[CPJ 2.0]

President said we've achieved total victory, so we'll keep bombing them to finish the job.

Rule number one of self defense. You stop shooting when the OTHER guy decides he's not a threat anymore. Someone really good on the subject told me that a few decades ago.

I get that. But you also don't declare a win before the other guy taps out.

Half of New York could be laid to rubble and the POTUS would still say we are winning.

[Justsomedude]

Politics and chosen party is the same as a mother with their child. Even when he robs a bank and murders someone, their baby can do no wrong. I know it will never happen, but the turning point will be the day that everybody acknowledges that even "their side" is complete shìt and has been for a while.

We've become too acclimated to rooting for what's better and not best.

[Diver43]

Politics and chosen party is the same as a mother with their child. Even when he robs a bank and murders someone, their baby can do no wrong. I know it will never happen, but the turning point will be the day that everybody acknowledges that even "their side" is complete shìt and has been for a while.

We've become too acclimated to rooting for what's better and not best.

Yup, vote for the best of two evils

[Zsarvashere]

Half of New York could be laid to rubble and the POTUS would still say we are winning.

Not only would we be winning, but "look at those terrorist attacking our largest city." "They killed all those children." "Imagine what they would have done if we hadn't attacked them first."

I am sure glad we are the good guys and would never do anything like that.

[Zorba]

I gave up conspiracies a long time ago, but I acknowledge how much we have been lied to and gaslit by our government to the extent that now I don't believe what politicians or news tells me. I know we are over there bombing, but as to why is what I question.

As far as I'm concerned, not our circus, not our monkeys. I'll say it again: We shouldn't have gotten involved with that mess in 1948 - it wasn't our business then, and it isn't our business now. Pull out, stay out, leave Huckabee over there, and let them kill each other on their dime, not ours. We need to stop spending our money on other countries, esp. ones that have no strategic value to the United States.

I stopped watching the news or paying attention to politicians decades ago - and the events of six years ago just cemented my stance. As to why we're over there, that's easy: Money. Its ALWAYS money. They'll find useful idiots who are True Believers (tm) like Huckabee, but at its core, its money.

[Varmintmist]

Half of New York could be laid to rubble and the POTUS would still say we are winning.

Not only would we be winning, but "look at those terrorist attacking our largest city." "They killed all those children." "Imagine what they would have done if we hadn't attacked them first."

I am sure glad we are the good guys and would never do anything like that.

Attacked who first??

There was a guy on this board who was there when 241 Marines were killed by an Iran backed bomb who was most likely picking up body parts. You get to do that when bad things happen and they dont tell you at the recruiters office. I'd like to hear his opinion on who attacked who.

A month after they were killed I got my first black plague shot. I never looked to see if I was in boot camp with any of those over there, but I was at my first duty station before Oct of 83 so there is a real good chance. This should have happened by Dec 83. Actually in 79 when the hostages were taken and/or when every single president, except Carter, said that we need to do something about Iran.

We shouldnt have gotten involved in 1950 and Carter and Thatcher shouldnt have shipped the first Ayatollah from EU to take over in Iran. Not going to argue that. When they started killing us then diplomacy should have ended.

Then of course you have the iran hostage crisis, and the USS Cole, then declaring the Straight of Hormuz is Irans, and the twin towers bombing, (first one for sure prob the second) and the assassination attempts on the pres, (second for sure first probable) which FYI is an act of war as is killing ambassadors and overrunning embassy's. They have been working on getting the Islam bomb since they got into power with the intent to use it. Anyone who says that Iran was minding their own business is willfully ignorant.

Oil is one thing and strangling China is a plus. More than oil goes through the straight. All the fertilizer for Africa is a petroleum product and goes through the straight. If they cant grow food they will be at war with each other again, if they are at war with each other again, then Russia can step in. India already buddied up with them under Biden to get oil, India has nukes. Sounds like a great idea.

[CPJ 2.0]

Come on, Donald. Iran doesn’t want world peace. Iran simply doesn’t want to be blown back into the stone ages hindering their next attempt at terror.

[Wambli Ska]

He’s referring to the people of Iran, not the turds running the country today. And my conversations with people in the region confirm exactly that and they are not the only ones in the region.

[CPJ 2.0]

He’s referring to the people of Iran, not the turds running the country today. And my conversations with people in the region confirm exactly that and they are not the only ones in the region.

That’s cool. But the people of Iran do not make decisions.

[Wambli Ska]

He’s referring to the people of Iran, not the turds running the country today. And my conversations with people in the region confirm exactly that and they are not the only ones in the region.

That’s cool. But the people of Iran do not make decisions.

Not until the revolt against the current regime. Again according to what I hear it's pretty much imminent. And there are several other players in the region that will guide them to rebuilding. They are basically the Venezuela of the ME. Could be one of the richest countries in the region BUT for the current government. Venezuela is now on a great path to becoming a very good American ally and a HUGE resource for us instead of Russia and China.

And by the way the best coffee in the world is grown in Venezuela dn GOD I miss it. Hope they start growing it and importing into the USA again. I hope Cuba is next, we need another GOOD source of coffee to replace the swill we get from Colombia and Brazil.

[Freezer]

Can you imagine? Syria is now peaceful and kicked the Russians out. Most of the middle east is peaceful. If the Iranian people can change the regime and become a peaceful and economic power, Lebanon can be rebuilt to the great country it used to be without Hezbala. Honestly, peace in the Middle East? I'll gladly pay higher prices for gas to get there. I served in the military for 13 years, I was and am willing to give more for just a chance of that!

Now look at that Americas.... A stable central and South America policing itself?

[Zsarvashere]

Where is the popcorn emoji?

[CPJ 2.0]

Can you imagine? Syria is now peaceful and kicked the Russians out. Most of the middle east is peaceful. If the Iranian people can change the regime and become a peaceful and economic power, Lebanon can be rebuilt to the great country it used to be without Hezbala. Honestly, peace in the Middle East? I'll gladly pay higher prices for gas to get there. I served in the military for 13 years, I was and am willing to give more for just a chance of that!

Now look at that Americas.... A stable central and South America policing itself?

I’d rather have cheap gas and lower taxes. Any “peace” will be short lived, once the USA pulls out. (and probably in a hasty manner cough cough Afghanistan cough cough)
And we will pull out. The next Democrat POTUS will see to it. Which, will be the next one. So forty seven has what, a little under 3 years to undo what’s been going on since Christ was a cowboy?


“Just a small town girl, livin in a loooonley world she took the midnight train going an-y wheeere.”

[Freezer]

I pray we are smarter than to perceive! I