You ever read something from a supposed "expert"...

[Wambli Ska]

And finally from the Google AI

I typed "effects of barrel length on bullet velocity and stability" and got this which I don't think anyone can argue with:
NOTE AI's response was much nicer formatted which I won't take the time to replicate and it cited all relevant sources with links

Longer barrels generally increase bullet velocity by allowing more time for powder combustion, typically gaining 20–25 feet per second (fps) per inch, which improves long-range performance. While barrel length has minimal direct effect on the physical stabilization (spin) of the bullet, shorter, stiffer barrels can offer better inherent accuracy and reduce negative harmonic vibrations.

Effect on Bullet Velocity
Increased Velocity: More propellant burns as the bullet travels down the barrel, allowing for maximum pressure build-up.
Diminishing Returns: Longer barrels provide diminishing returns, and if too long, friction can start to decrease bullet velocity.
Cartridge Dependence: Magnum cartridges benefit more from longer barrels, while faster-burning powders in smaller calibers (like .22 LR) optimize in shorter 16–16.5 inch barrels.
Real-World Data: A .308 Win might produce 2,500 fps in a 16" barrel versus 2,710 fps in a 28" barrel, showing how velocity gains occur as barrel length increases.
Effect on Bullet Stability and Accuracy
Stability (Twist Rate): Bullet stabilization depends almost entirely on the twist rate (e.g., 1:8") and the resulting RPM, not the length of the barrel. A longer barrel does not fix a slow twist rate if the barrel is too short to stabilize a heavy bullet.
Harmonics and Rigidity: Shorter, thicker barrels (bull barrels) are generally more rigid, which reduces barrel whip (vibrations), often leading to better, more consistent accuracy.
Velocity-Based Stability: A faster muzzle velocity—achieved through a longer barrel—can help keep a bullet supersonic for a longer distance, improving its stability at long ranges.
Practical Accuracy: Longer barrels can increase the sight radius for iron sights, improving aiming accuracy, though this is not applicable to scoped rifles.

Summary Table
Feature Short Barrel Long Barrel
Velocity Lower Higher
Maneuverability High Low
Rigidity/Harmonics Often more rigid Can suffer from whip
Ideal Use CQB, suppressed Long-range precision
Key Takeaways
Barrel length is a primary driver of muzzle velocity.
If you need better stability for heavy-for-caliber bullets, you must change the twist rate, not just the length.
Shorter barrels are not inherently less accurate; they just produce lower velocity.

[Justsomedude]

I used to think that maybe we are advancing too fast as a civilization, and then i remembered that we went from the Wright Brothers first flight to landing on the moon in 60 something years. I dont think tech is advancing too fast. I think people are just dumbing down and not keeping up (as demonstrated by the covid nightmare and many other examples.) I could run out of data listing the stupidity that I observe on the daily. I dont belong in society. I need my own private island, away from everyone.

[Wambli Ska]

I used to think that maybe we are advancing too fast as a civilization, and then i remembered that we went from the Wright Brothers first flight to landing on the moon in 60 something years. I dont think tech is advancing too fast. I think people are just dumbing down and not keeping up (as demonstrated by the covid nightmare and many other examples.) I could run out of data listing the stupidity that I observe on the daily. I dont belong in society. I need my own private island, away from everyone.

I think we all feel that way at times... We are constantly overwhelmed by the idiocy of sooooooooo many. I was just watching the news and looking and listening to every example of folks on the No Kings "demonstrations" that allowed themselves to be interviewed, and it almost brought me to tears. But then I re-focus my mind back on all the folks that I actually like and especially on those that enrich my life in some way, and figure out that It'd be a lesser life for me without them. Too easy to land and stay on the dark side of the moon if you let yourself brother... I'm too old to be that angry all the time, it takes way too much time I feel no longer have.

[Japhy]

I used to think that maybe we are advancing too fast as a civilization, and then i remembered that we went from the Wright Brothers first flight to landing on the moon in 60 something years. I dont think tech is advancing too fast. I think people are just dumbing down and not keeping up (as demonstrated by the covid nightmare and many other examples.) I could run out of data listing the stupidity that I observe on the daily. I dont belong in society. I need my own private island, away from everyone.

Dude your point has been obvious for at least 10years that i have observed. This is now a land of no-can-do academics, incompetent-at-everythings, uninformed-illiterates all with attention spans of less than a sentence with a phone stuck in their face every waking hour and socially disconnected from any real life presence. The exceptions i find these are primarily the skilled trades and technical folk. I remember telling a program manager once “The reason I am here is because I can and you cant”

My range buds and I were discussing the same topic in the past week. One reason we meet at our favorite coffee hole is the staff can actually count back change! And almost never do we see customers with noses buried in their phones. Most of us do not bring the phones out of the house unless there is a rare need to navigate somewhere unfamiliar.

[Varmintmist]

An chance they might be referring to "gain twist rifling" Read about it years ago. No idea if it is actually used anywhere.

Its called progressive twist and yes its used by major bbl company's.

[Wambli Ska]

I used to think that maybe we are advancing too fast as a civilization, and then i remembered that we went from the Wright Brothers first flight to landing on the moon in 60 something years. I dont think tech is advancing too fast. I think people are just dumbing down and not keeping up (as demonstrated by the covid nightmare and many other examples.) I could run out of data listing the stupidity that I observe on the daily. I dont belong in society. I need my own private island, away from everyone.

Dude your point has been obvious for at least 10years that i have observed. This is now a land of no-can-do academics, incompetent-at-everythings, uninformed-illiterates all with attention spans of less than a sentence with a phone stuck in their face every waking hour and socially disconnected from any real life presence. The exceptions i find these are primarily the skilled trades and technical folk. I remember telling a program manager once “The reason I am here is because I can and you cant”

My range buds and I were discussing the same topic in the past week. One reason we meet at our favorite coffee hole is the staff can actually count back change! And almost never do we see customers with noses buried in their phones. Most of us do not bring the phones out of the house unless there is a rare need to navigate somewhere unfamiliar.

What is this "change" thing you speak off?!?!?!

I see your point but from another perspective, I still keep a "change Jar" on my night stand that I used to fill just about every week or so and had to go to the supermarket and give them 8% of it to the coin counting machine to convert it to bills again. Now the same lonely 2 quarters have been in there for months and I think that coin machine is gone. I don't know that my 15 year old granddaughter is any type of a wiz kid counting change while she understands money and math rather well, and quite frankly she struggles with analog clocks. But she is growing up without a need for either of those things. She also made me laugh out loud as she stared at an old rotary phone at an antique store we visited and finally had to ask me what the hell that machine was. The look on her face when I told her it was a phone was priceless and it was the first time I realized she's never seen a "house phone".

I remember when I was a young lad my grandfather refused to leave the house without at least $200 in his wallet. I don't know where that number came form but it was his idea of the minimum amount of cash he would need to take care of any event the day could bring from a quick tire patch repair to a spontaneous social occasion like buying lunch or a few drinks for friends/family.

My father raised that amount a bit and carried on the practice, so did I and for years that was my rule too. I never felt comfortable without an adequate amount of cash readily available to me. But I opened my wallet a few days ago and realized that the bills that I have in it have not been touched in probably over a year now... Can't remember the last time I hit an ATM or physically went to my bank.

That's long way from just a few decades ago when I collected a physical check from my employer every week, had to drive to the bank and deposit it and then decide how much cash I needed get through my next week. If I ran out getting more cash mid-week meant a trip to the bank to make a withdrawal or cashing a check somewhere, a huge waste of MY time.

We now live in a world in which I can have just about anything I need delivered to me within hours and Bezos has figured out how to profitably drop off milk by my front door at 4:00am so I never have to go without. That is something that has not happened in this country in probably 50 years.

What this means to me is that now I can repurpose the time/money (gas and car wear/tear/depreciation in miles) waste that shopping for food, clothes, tools, toys etc meant and divert it to much more pleasant social endeavors. At work, technology allows me to now do what it took me 10 hours a day maybe 5-10 years ago in 2-3 hours so around noon I can look at my to-do list and call it a good day and get in my car and go spend the afternoon playing with my granddaughter. And if a "work emergency" happens everything I need to handle it swiftly is in my pocket. Technology has made it so I have not had to commute or physically be in an office for decades now. And this is just a few aspects of my life that are positively impacted by tech.

I also find my conversations with my kids are WAY more interesting because we as a group are now much better informed about what's going on in the world in a wide range of topics or interests, from hobbies like restoring cars to current political affairs. That to me is a great gain as a society!

And finally my 15 month old granddaughter now (with mom's assistance) has learned to send me selfies and if I can't make it to see her for a day or two I can FaceTime her and get my baby time in effortlessly.

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I guess my point is technology is not inherently good or bad. How WE use it defines its value to us and society in general. But it is useless to fight it or deride it because the benefits are absolutely real.

[Japhy]

There are a few businesses I patronize regularly. They are not franchises. I know the owners and managers personally. Their staff are competent, friendly, and fast. I pay for goods and services in cash at those businesses and I tip in cash at a couple of restaurants. I do not like sharing money with credit card processors or adding tips to a credit card so the owner must be out of pocket to settle tips with the staff while the card transaction occurs. Cash tips to go directly and unreported into the pockets of those on the front line.

The incompetents i encounter invariably work at national stores or service providers. They have an entirely different attitude toward customers and their employer. Those places are where i use the credit card. I will not enter a business with a no cash sign in the window.

[Wambli Ska]

Tesla robots are going to be released soon. All those incompetents will be jobless soon

[Diver43]

There are a few businesses I patronize regularly. They are not franchises. I know the owners and managers personally. Their staff are competent, friendly, and fast. I pay for goods and services in cash at those businesses and I tip in cash at a couple of restaurants. I do not like sharing money with credit card processors or adding tips to a credit card so the owner must be out of pocket to settle tips with the staff while the card transaction occurs. Cash tips to go directly and unreported into the pockets of those on the front line.

The incompetents i encounter invariably work at national stores or service providers. They have an entirely different attitude toward customers and their employer. Those places are where i use the credit card. I will not enter a business with a no cash sign in the window.

I thought during covid it was found to be illegal to not accept cash?

[CPJ 2.0]

There are a few businesses I patronize regularly. They are not franchises. I know the owners and managers personally. Their staff are competent, friendly, and fast. I pay for goods and services in cash at those businesses and I tip in cash at a couple of restaurants. I do not like sharing money with credit card processors or adding tips to a credit card so the owner must be out of pocket to settle tips with the staff while the card transaction occurs. Cash tips to go directly and unreported into the pockets of those on the front line.

The incompetents i encounter invariably work at national stores or service providers. They have an entirely different attitude toward customers and their employer. Those places are where i use the credit card. I will not enter a business with a no cash sign in the window.

I thought during covid it was found to be illegal to not accept cash?

The government doesn’t accept cash at national parks.

[Wambli Ska]

Thera are a few stores around here that have signs that say store does not accept cash. Don't know if legal or not but they are there...

[breamfisher]

There's no federal law mandating you have to accept cash. It's left up to the states, counties, cities, etc.

[Wambli Ska]

I can walk into a branch of my bank, open an account and walk out with my new Visa Check Card in my hand, if I lose it I can go back and get a replacement in 10 mins. Having cash is almost an inconvenience nowadays.

[Japhy]

Our stadiums do not take cash and have reverse ATMs so you can put cash in and get a card which can be redeemed to buy $12 beers. The card expires in 90 days have a balance? Tough!

Says on my dollar bills:
Good for all debts public and private

Cash: anonymous, no personal data collection sold to anyone. No location data sold.

If i miss a no cash sign in a restaurant and get dinged for a card my response will be cash or nothing. I have no tolerance for cash refusal.

[Justsomedude]

My dad would have lost his shìt if he were alive to see us going cashless. He was old school and didn't even have a card of any kind. I personally keep cash on hand in my wallet (like Wambli) incase of an emergency but prefer card. I'm a little bit of a germaphobe and can't stand touching cash. I can't even imagine how many strippers ass cracks its been in or nasty people's hands that pick their nose, etc...

[Zorba]

Dude your point has been obvious for at least 10years that i have observed. This is now a land of no-can-do academics, incompetent-at-everythings, uninformed-illiterates all with attention spans of less than a sentence with a phone stuck in their face every waking hour and socially disconnected from any real life presence. The exceptions i find these are primarily the skilled trades and technical folk. I remember telling a program manager once “The reason I am here is because I can and you cant”

As some here know, I had an entire career in "high tech". I used to love technology, and I still love some of it. But the horrid direction it has gone in for the last 20 years has me saying "enough!". I just returned from a trip to Egypt a couple of months ago - and to put it short and succinctly, their culture hasn't been destroyed by the smartphone YET. No effeteness, no technological effeminacy. No kids with smartphones, and not all adults have one either and those that do generally don't have it welded to their face.

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[Wambli Ska]

Dude your point has been obvious for at least 10years that i have observed. This is now a land of no-can-do academics, incompetent-at-everythings, uninformed-illiterates all with attention spans of less than a sentence with a phone stuck in their face every waking hour and socially disconnected from any real life presence. The exceptions i find these are primarily the skilled trades and technical folk. I remember telling a program manager once “The reason I am here is because I can and you cant”

As some here know, I had an entire career in "high tech". I used to love technology, and I still love some of it. But the horrid direction it has gone in for the last 20 years has me saying "enough!". I just returned from a trip to Egypt a couple of months ago - and to put it short and succinctly, their culture hasn't been destroyed by the smartphone YET. No effeteness, no technological effeminacy. No kids with smartphones, and not all adults have one either and those that do generally don't have it welded to their face.
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I tried to ignore this one for a while but quite frankly for a man that walks about in skirts, make up, high heels and belly dances the use of words like "effeteness" and "effeminacy" in a derogatory way seems strange at best. In any case I'm mildly amused by your expectation of acceptance by others of your idiosyncrasies and yet you seem to be one of the most judgmental and derisive folks against people that don't see technology your way I've ever encountered. I guess acceptance only has to go one way...

[Zorba]

Dude your point has been obvious for at least 10years that i have observed. This is now a land of no-can-do academics, incompetent-at-everythings, uninformed-illiterates all with attention spans of less than a sentence with a phone stuck in their face every waking hour and socially disconnected from any real life presence. The exceptions i find these are primarily the skilled trades and technical folk. I remember telling a program manager once “The reason I am here is because I can and you cant”

As some here know, I had an entire career in "high tech". I used to love technology, and I still love some of it. But the horrid direction it has gone in for the last 20 years has me saying "enough!". I just returned from a trip to Egypt a couple of months ago - and to put it short and succinctly, their culture hasn't been destroyed by the smartphone YET. No effeteness, no technological effeminacy. No kids with smartphones, and not all adults have one either and those that do generally don't have it welded to their face.
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I tried to ignore this one for a while but quite frankly for a man that walks about in skirts, make up, high heels and belly dances the use of words like "effeteness" and "effeminacy" in a derogatory way seems strange at best. In any case I'm mildly amused by your expectation of acceptance by others of your idiosyncrasies and yet you seem to be one of the most judgmental and derisive folks against people that don't see technology your way I've ever encountered. I guess acceptance only has to go one way...

All you can do is make ad hominum remarks towards those who do not buy into your industry's world destroying EVIL.

So, I have one question: Are you a transhumanist? That is the end game of your industry.. But you are correct in a way, despite your derisive (as usual) remarks: Acceptance does only go one way: I utterly reject "The Machine", and the fair seeming, but rotten to the core, future it offers me.

[Wambli Ska]

I’m not engaging in a discussion with you. I can’t think of a less worthwhile endeavor. I’d rather have a conversation with my socks. I made an observation about your behaviior and I’ll let it stand on the merits of all you posts. Have a great day.

[Zorba]

I’m not engaging in a discussion with you. I can’t think of a less worthwhile endeavor. I’d rather have a conversation with my socks. I made an observation about your behaviior and I’ll let it stand on the merits of all you posts. Have a great day.

That's because you know I'm right at some level. Get the Hell out of that accursed industry before it destroys you! YOU are the one who started this, not me.

[Wambli Ska]

I’m not engaging in a discussion with you. I can’t think of a less worthwhile endeavor. I’d rather have a conversation with my socks. I made an observation about your behaviior and I’ll let it stand on the merits of all you posts. Have a great day.

That's because you know I'm right at some level. Get the Hell out of that accursed industry before it destroys you! YOU are the one who started this, not me.

Nope, you are so wrong it used to be amusing but now it’s just pitiful. I won’t engage you in a discussion because your technological insight is about vintage 1980s. You are clueless about what is going on and all you can see are your own entrenched misconceptions.

I’ll never convince you to change your position and you have zero ammunition to convince me. If you’re so unhappy here move to Egypt where the standard of living is a sadly a fraction of what we have in the USA, because as a society they live in a technical and educational vacuum. And yes I started it because your “veiled” insults (see what I did there ) are just tiresome. Now I’m done….

[Justsomedude]

Zorba, I have no issue with you. The thing i dont understand is why you blame the product. I dont blame the product (phones, social media, internet, etc..) no more than I blame drugs that the drug users use and allow to destroy their lives. Wambli would be a fool to not take advantage of an industry that is absolutely NOT going away. I also dont understand your constant reiteration of an opinion that we are all more than aware of. I can sort of understand, as I get a compulsion to tell people when I either disagree with them, but especially if I think that their belief is stupid. I dont know why, but thats just how I am and I probably wont change (that tidbit isn't aimed towards your belief or opinion.)

I just think you should blame the weak people that are allowing their life to be consumed by likes, shares, views, etc...

[Freezer]

I read "Understanding Firearms Ballistics" years ago. I wish I still had that book. The AI data is correct but only if you want the answer and not the reason. BTW, this book was written in a unique fashion. It had information for the novice, who wanted a basic understanding, the intermediate who wanted a little more or the expert who wanted to do the math themselves.

The technology we have today is a tool, for better or worse it all depends on how we understand it and we use it. I don't care for the amount my information it collects nor my perceived invasion of privacy but ....time moves on.

Can atheists believe in the devil?

[Wambli Ska]

What makes something bad or good is just the intent of the human using it.

And just a small correction, I am not taking advantage of an industry. While some are sitting around badmouthing technology based on some Neanderthal leftover DNA in their brain we run a contract with a company monitoring and proactively managing hundreds of thousands of advanced pacemakers worldwide so these folks don’t just suddenly die while having dinner with their kids. What we do MAKES a difference and that’s one of the main reasons for un-retiring myself is that I feel I can do more.

[Justsomedude]

What makes something bad or good is just the intent of the human using it.

And just a small correction, I am not taking advantage of an industry. While some are sitting around badmouthing technology based on some Neanderthal leftover DNA in their brain we run a contract with a company monitoring and proactively managing hundreds of thousands of advanced pacemakers worldwide so these folks don’t just suddenly die while having dinner with their kids. What we do MAKES a difference and that’s one of the main reasons for un-retiring myself is that I feel I can do more.

I didnt mean "take advantage" in a bad way. I probably could have worded it better. More like "take the opportunity. "