Shooting at Iran again

[Zsarvashere]

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You are SO wrong.


It’s not “the next election is too important….”



It’s THIS IS THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION OF OUR LIFETIME!”

Funny enough, every election has been that.

This one won't be any different. When this term ends in the utter failure it is they will just say if you give us 4 more years it will all come together. You'll see. The most important election ever yadda yadda yadda.

So if you feel so inclined, what is the actual measure of "utter failure" hat this administration is headed to? Because I see a whole lot of OBJECTIVELY positive things going on in this country and economy and very little failure in the mix. Especially when compared objectively to the previous administration.

Just curious...

Honestly to what end? You cleary have no real desire for an objective discussion. Based on this thread alone. In the past when you have been engaged and not gotten your way you have taken your ball and gone home declaring never to comment in the politics forum again. I typically avoid engaging with you directly. However you asked.

So far you have given a master class in defining the k shaped economy, and used your the experience you have to subjectively apply it to everyone else's experience. You are easily in the top 10% of earners, and my guess is in the top 5% based on the way you spend money. Of course life is rosey for you. And good on you I really don't care, but to not recognize it is not the same for others is just ignorant.

Diver objectively points out corporations are making record profits, and your subjective response is great! Again k shaped. Those at the top do better while the vast majority do worse. In the past trickle down economics was a real thing. Now it is suck it up economics. Make more, cut your work force and quality to make even more while providing less. Wealth no longer flows down it flow up as every aspect of life is comodified. Yes people still do well in the orbits of these businesses and individuals, but the concentration is always upwards at an accelerated pace.

Ruger objectively declares the pain he feels because everything is more expensive. You the subjectively lecture him on how he is wrong and how good the economy is because you just bought a new house, a 100 inch television, the most expensive washer and dryer you could find, and are about to take a 1700 mile trip. See the economy is great because it is great for you. Everyone else is just confused.

Then you subjectively quote me from almost two weeks ago about a 20 cent increase on a gallon of gas and imply that this equates to a Costco hot dog. Big deal right. Objectively gas has gone up over $2 a gallon since The Doctor Jesus King started his war of choice. I routinely drive over 100 miles a day. I drive a truck or a work van and that takes 7ish gallons of gas. That translates to an objective increase of $270 a month in additional costs to me. Most certainly more than a hot dog. You are not an idiot. Anyone that has been as successful as you is not stupid. So it begs the question why would you attempt to imply such a stupid conclusion. Maybe objectivity was not your concern. Additionally anyone who is remotely intelligent, like you clearly are, would understand that the direct cost of gas is just the tip. My cost of materials is up, my cost of tools is up, my cost of insurance is up, my cost of groceries is up, my cost of utilities is up. You know all this. Once again you are not stupid. I am not in the least destitute. I am in the top 20% income bracket. I can eat every expense listed, but I feel it. I have to cut back for my larger goals. I have to do without, and I am a top 20% earner. So imagine now how it is for the rest. You take a 5% experience and try to apply it to the rest like it is reality. The most apropos comment you made was regarding your bonus. When you basically said I got mine so f&%# the rest. That might be the most bulls÷$@ elitist crap I ever read. So what value is it to really try to engage with you in discussion. You have made up your mind.

GDP and the stock markets are no longer indicators of the general economy. Those numbers matter to top earners only. Remember Biden used those same metrics to do the same thing you are doing. The market and gdp are up so all of you are doing better. It was bullsh=/ then and it is bullsh=/ now.

Objective truths

Trump failed to cut prices
Trump failed to cut inflation
Trump failed to keep us out of foreign wars
Trump failed to balance the budget
Trump failed to release the epstein files
Trump failed to drain the swamp(he is the swamp)
Trump has failed to spur the greater economy
Trump is failing us on foreign policy




I will leave you with this. The Constitution may be one of the greatest documents written in my opinion. It means nothing when not considered without the Declarationa and the Preamble. I had to memorize the Preamble when I was young. It states that one of the entire purposes of our government is to "promote the general welfare". Not provide it and most certainly not to promote only one small income bracket. He and they are failing to discharge their charter.

[Rugerfan]

My gasoline bill has just about doubled. I drive 60+ miles/day. In a 2013 F150 with 196k miles. My wife works for a Ford dealer. Even then I am not gonna pay $30-40k for used truck with over 100k miles. A new one is unobtainable. Groceries are certainly more expensive. With diesel over $5/gal shipping costs more so that causes price increases.

Haven’t bought a house in over 30 yrs. And I HATE to think about having to nowadays. Housing prices have skyrocketed which means my taxes and home insurance have increased.

Just signed a new teaching contract with a $2k raise. Got a $5k raise 5 yrs ago. Inflation basically wiped that raise out. Which it will do for this raise.

Haven’t had to buy a TV in several years nor any appliances. I realize the prices of electronics have come down somewhat. But, that’s the only sector that I can think of that hasn’t really gone up.

I’m a teacher in Mississippi. I ain’t making much. So ANY price increase is felt. I can’t walk out of Walmart for less than $100-150 these days. Even a trip to Dollar General is $75+.

There a LOT of people here that make even less than I do. They’re really hurting.

[CPJ 2.0]

“Trump failed to cut prices
Trump failed to cut inflation
Trump failed to keep us out of foreign wars
Trump failed to balance the budget
Trump failed to release the epstein files
Trump failed to drain the swamp(he is the swamp)
Trump has failed to spur the greater economy
Trump is failing us on foreign policy”

And:
Trump failed to follow through to wipe out Bidens gun control, “in the first week, maybe the first day”.

To his handlers credit, “he” is now seeing the light. Mid terms are coming. Gun owners are pissed off. He/they started finding out that empty talk and pissing away a majority wasn’t a great plan.

Promises made by all of the public servants are falling short. But at least now there is some movement in that area. Firing one of the single most annoying women I’ve ever heard speak (Red Flag Blondie) and hiring a more pro constitution AG, and a more 2A friendly AFT director. Some good movement being made. But till the ink dries, it’s still mindless rambling.

[Bigslug]

. . .and ultimately, Bill Gates will end up in a 2x2x7 box made of mahogany lined with silk, whereas most of us will end up in a 2x2x7 box made of pine lined with burlap. The worms might show a slight preference to hang out with Bill (Hey guys! This one ate a lot of foie gras and caviar!), but the view and house guests are pretty much the same.

[Zsarvashere]

There a LOT of people here that make even less than I do. They’re really hurting.

This is the crux of it all. There is no more objective measure that can be taken. No report, graph, study, propaganda, or obfuscation can challenge the fact that people are making less money relative to cost than they have for a long time. Including the inflation of the Biden term. Trump is worse in every way that matters on the economy.

You might then say you just hate Trump and love liberals. Far from it. All he had to do was what he said he would do.


And for those that believe it was a righteous war justifying the cost. Wrong! His own intelligence apparatus did not believe they were close to Nukes. His own intelligence apparatus does not believe it has been set back more than a few months at max if they were to pursue nukes. At best He will have accomplished nothing for the pain he is causing. Napoleon went to Spain, Johnson went to Vietnam, Bush went to Iraq, Putin went to Ukraine, and now Trump has gone to Iran. The hubris of stupid leaders is infinite.


P.S. I hope I am wrong and he pulls a rabbit out of his hat and all is hunky dory come Christmas.

[Diver43]

There a LOT of people here that make even less than I do. They’re really hurting.

This is the crux of it all. There is no more objective measure that can be taken. No report, graph, study, propaganda, or obfuscation can challenge the fact that people are making less money relative to cost than they have for a long time. Including the inflation of the Biden term. Trump is worse in every way that matters on the economy.

You might then say you just hate Trump and love liberals. Far from it. All he had to do was what he said he would do.


And for those that believe it was a righteous war justifying the cost. Wrong! His own intelligence apparatus did not believe they were close to Nukes. His own intelligence apparatus does not believe it has been set back more than a few months at max if they were to pursue nukes. At best He will have accomplished nothing for the pain he is causing. Napoleon went to Spain, Johnson went to Vietnam, Bush went to Iraq, Putin went to Ukraine, and now Trump has gone to Iran. The hubris of stupid leaders is infinite.


P.S. I hope I am wrong and he pulls a rabbit out of his hat and all is hunky dory come Christmas.

As a life long Military person I wonder how do you know what his intelligence people told him? Nobody knows but him as any briefing he attends is TS level and held in a SCIF. We only know what they tell US. Only those involved know and they will not be talking about it.

[Zsarvashere]

“Trump failed to cut prices
Trump failed to cut inflation
Trump failed to keep us out of foreign wars
Trump failed to balance the budget
Trump failed to release the epstein files
Trump failed to drain the swamp(he is the swamp)
Trump has failed to spur the greater economy
Trump is failing us on foreign policy”

And:
Trump failed to follow through to wipe out Bidens gun control, “in the first week, maybe the first day”.

To his handlers credit, “he” is now seeing the light. Mid terms are coming. Gun owners are pissed off. He/they started finding out that empty talk and pissing away a majority wasn’t a great plan.

Promises made by all of the public servants are falling short. But at least now there is some movement in that area. Firing one of the single most annoying women I’ve ever heard speak (Red Flag Blondie) and hiring a more pro constitution AG, and a more 2A friendly AFT director. Some good movement being made. But till the ink dries, it’s still mindless rambling.

Trump panders to the gun community right before elections. Then he does nothing to benefit said community. We should have had free unregulated suppressors. I will believe it when I see it.

[Zsarvashere]

There a LOT of people here that make even less than I do. They’re really hurting.

This is the crux of it all. There is no more objective measure that can be taken. No report, graph, study, propaganda, or obfuscation can challenge the fact that people are making less money relative to cost than they have for a long time. Including the inflation of the Biden term. Trump is worse in every way that matters on the economy.

You might then say you just hate Trump and love liberals. Far from it. All he had to do was what he said he would do.


And for those that believe it was a righteous war justifying the cost. Wrong! His own intelligence apparatus did not believe they were close to Nukes. His own intelligence apparatus does not believe it has been set back more than a few months at max if they were to pursue nukes. At best He will have accomplished nothing for the pain he is causing. Napoleon went to Spain, Johnson went to Vietnam, Bush went to Iraq, Putin went to Ukraine, and now Trump has gone to Iran. The hubris of stupid leaders is infinite.


P.S. I hope I am wrong and he pulls a rabbit out of his hat and all is hunky dory come Christmas.

As a life long Military person I wonder how do you know what his intelligence people told him? Nobody knows but him as any briefing he attends is TS level and held in a SCIF. We only know what they tell US. Only those involved know and they will not be talking about it.

Because they have said so.

[Diver43]

This is the crux of it all. There is no more objective measure that can be taken. No report, graph, study, propaganda, or obfuscation can challenge the fact that people are making less money relative to cost than they have for a long time. Including the inflation of the Biden term. Trump is worse in every way that matters on the economy.

You might then say you just hate Trump and love liberals. Far from it. All he had to do was what he said he would do.


And for those that believe it was a righteous war justifying the cost. Wrong! His own intelligence apparatus did not believe they were close to Nukes. His own intelligence apparatus does not believe it has been set back more than a few months at max if they were to pursue nukes. At best He will have accomplished nothing for the pain he is causing. Napoleon went to Spain, Johnson went to Vietnam, Bush went to Iraq, Putin went to Ukraine, and now Trump has gone to Iran. The hubris of stupid leaders is infinite.


P.S. I hope I am wrong and he pulls a rabbit out of his hat and all is hunky dory come Christmas.

As a life long Military person I wonder how do you know what his intelligence people told him? Nobody knows but him as any briefing he attends is TS level and held in a SCIF. We only know what they tell US. Only those involved know and they will not be talking about it.

Because they have said so.

That's the point. Nobody may talk about those briefings. It may be true or a complete made up story

[CPJ 2.0]

My gasoline bill has just about doubled. I drive 60+ miles/day. In a 2013 F150 with 196k miles. My wife works for a Ford dealer. Even then I am not gonna pay $30-40k for used truck with over 100k miles. A new one is unobtainable. Groceries are certainly more expensive. With diesel over $5/gal shipping costs more so that causes price increases.

Haven’t bought a house in over 30 yrs. And I HATE to think about having to nowadays. Housing prices have skyrocketed which means my taxes and home insurance have increased.

Just signed a new teaching contract with a $2k raise. Got a $5k raise 5 yrs ago. Inflation basically wiped that raise out. Which it will do for this raise.

Haven’t had to buy a TV in several years nor any appliances. I realize the prices of electronics have come down somewhat. But, that’s the only sector that I can think of that hasn’t really gone up.

I’m a teacher in Mississippi. I ain’t making much. So ANY price increase is felt. I can’t walk out of Walmart for less than $100-150 these days. Even a trip to Dollar General is $75+.

There a LOT of people here that make even less than I do. They’re really hurting.

I feel for my kids, just starting out in the world. They are absolutely feeling it. It’s not going to put me on the street or force me to give handjobs at the rest stop, but it does make stuff tighter with less money for fun stuff.

[CPJ 2.0]

“Trump failed to cut prices
Trump failed to cut inflation
Trump failed to keep us out of foreign wars
Trump failed to balance the budget
Trump failed to release the epstein files
Trump failed to drain the swamp(he is the swamp)
Trump has failed to spur the greater economy
Trump is failing us on foreign policy”

And:
Trump failed to follow through to wipe out Bidens gun control, “in the first week, maybe the first day”.

To his handlers credit, “he” is now seeing the light. Mid terms are coming. Gun owners are pissed off. He/they started finding out that empty talk and pissing away a majority wasn’t a great plan.

Promises made by all of the public servants are falling short. But at least now there is some movement in that area. Firing one of the single most annoying women I’ve ever heard speak (Red Flag Blondie) and hiring a more pro constitution AG, and a more 2A friendly AFT director. Some good movement being made. But till the ink dries, it’s still mindless rambling.

Trump panders to the gun community right before elections. Then he does nothing to benefit said community. We should have had free unregulated suppressors. I will believe it when I see it.

*Republicans* pander to the gun community right before elections.

[Rugerfan]

I feel for my kids, just starting out in the world. They are absolutely feeling it. It’s not going to put me on the street or force me to give handjobs at the rest stop, but it does make stuff tighter with less money for fun stuff.
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I know. I don’t know how young people do it nowadays. Starter homes here are right $200k. But the incomes have not increased accordingly.

My son’s house payment has increased nearly $400/mo in the last 6 years solely because of insurance and taxes. And their salaries haven’t gone up to match it. With 2 kids in daycare they’re hurting.

[Zsarvashere]

*Republicans* pander to the gun community right before elections.

Yes you are correct

[Zsarvashere]

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That's the point. Nobody may talk about those briefings. It may be true or a complete made up story

You can choose not to believe the members of the community if you wish. The admin has offered no proof they have just said it was so. At least Bush supported his lies with pictures. Trump just says trust me.

[Bigslug]

Trump panders to the gun community right before elections. Then he does nothing to benefit said community. We should have had free unregulated suppressors. I will believe it when I see it.

I might adjust that statement a bit.

Trump DID in fact give us a Supreme Court which SHOULD be swinging a pretty big axe at 2A restrictions that have burdened us for anywhere from 30 to 90 years, depending on which stone you feel like throwing. That they aren't and why are the questions you want to be asking.

And you might also want to consider that the leading cause of Donald Trump was Democrats. Taking Trump totally out of the equation for a moment, you have to marvel at the fact that not only did they keep propping up Joe Biden, they had ZERO backup plan behind him. Or, rewinding a touch, that they put forth Hillary because it was "Her Turn" more than anything else.

[Zsarvashere]

I do not disagree with most of that however the Repubs have had two president's with Republican majorities in the last 25 years and could have handled legislatively what the judiciary hasn't.

[Diver43]

I do not disagree with most of that however the Repubs have had two president's with Republican majorities in the last 25 years and could have handled legislatively what the judiciary hasn't.

No argument with that.

[CPJ 2.0]

I do not disagree with most of that however the Repubs have had two president's with Republican majorities in the last 25 years and could have handled legislatively what the judiciary hasn't.

But they won’t. Because they know (think) they are the lesser evil, and voters are scared of the other evil and won’t kick them out. I used to be like that, now I’ll watch the country burn before I vote for a two faced politician. Well, what I mean is one who’s been on record. Cause they are all that way. Just give them time.

[Zsarvashere]

And they never will. The P supercedes the R or the D. They will always work to make themselvers richer and more powerful at the expense of the voter. I'm almost ready to watch it burn with you. I have a three year stash of cigars put away. Once I get the scotch I'll be ready.

[Wambli Ska]

45% of all households in the USA have an income of over $100,000 a year, easily Googleable. 15% has an income over $200,000 a year.

Folks making all the anti Trump noise made no comments when Biden kept the price of gas over $4.00/gallon for years and eggs were $10/dozen.

But now the world is ending and we have a failed Presidency.

When you utter complete nonsense with nothing to back it up it’s an opinion. When I debate it, I’m lecturing. Feel free to move on if you can’t stand my lectures. Not like you’re learning anything while I try to offer a different perspective to those that want to think. It’s all good, as you might have noticed I rejoice in other folks misery

[CPJ 2.0]

“ Folks making all the anti Trump noise made no comments when Biden kept the price of gas over $4.00/gallon for years and eggs were $10/dozen.”


Huh? I don’t recall anyone praising JB for high gas prices. Or for egg prices. (Which he didn’t control, unless he was responsible for the avian flu and the destruction of a large portion of the laying hens)

[CPJ 2.0]

Side note to the silly notion that cheap TVs are offsetting inflation and gas prices, they aren’t cheap for any other reason than they are subsidized with every subscription service under the sun. Subscriptions, data collection, advertising…they aren’t making money on the hardware.
Come to think of it, that’s probably true with the washing machines. If it’s cloud connected, you are the product.

[Wambli Ska]

“ Folks making all the anti Trump noise made no comments when Biden kept the price of gas over $4.00/gallon for years and eggs were $10/dozen.”


Huh? I don’t recall anyone praising JB for high gas prices. Or for egg prices. (Which he didn’t control, unless he was responsible for the avian flu and the destruction of a large portion of the laying hens)

Never said praise. I just don't remember any noise at al. But hey it's all good... everyone is entitled to their opinions and selective outrage if it helps them sleep at night. And quite frankly I wasn't talking about you. I actually read all your posts and you have many OTHER interests and expertise that are more in line with this board and the stuff I like to read/talk about. NOT just jump in for Trump bashing or tech bashing. At least you hate ALL politicians. I can respect that.

[CPJ 2.0]

The reason no one made much noise….it was expected. It’s like a saying the Pope is catholic, water is wet, and the tin man has a sheet metal wang.

The difference is the chest pounding and bragging about how “everything is going to be so cheap because I’m a great leader.”
Well when it’s not, people get miffed.

IF a politician would come out and say “things are ****, here’s my plan. Let’s see what we can do to fix this.” (And followed through) they would OWN an election. Tell people the truth, don’t tell them that the mouthful of poop they have been fed is soft serve ice cream.
Don’t make unrealistic promises.
People don’t like when someone pisses down their back and tells them it’s raining.
Empty promise are just that. Empty.


But there’s one word I said above that’s gonna negate my entire post because it and politicians are mutually exclusive : truth.

[Wambli Ska]

Side note to the silly notion that cheap TVs are offsetting inflation and gas prices, they aren’t cheap for any other reason than they are subsidized with every subscription service under the sun. Subscriptions, data collection, advertising…they aren’t making money on the hardware.
Come to think of it, that’s probably true with the washing machines. If it’s cloud connected, you are the product.

Yep, but don't fixate on TVs, that's just one example I came up with quickly. The fact is that most American folks that are screaming about how tough life is own 1000% more SHïT than they did 20 years ago and so does the rest of the country. An espresso machine was $125 the first time I bought one in the 90s. There are 100 good ones on Amazon right now for $100-$150. I remember my parents buying me a $100 bike for Christmas one year when I was about 12. Walmarts is filled to the rafters with bikes still in that price range, all of them nicer than the one I had back then. My first calculator my dad bought me in high school was well over $100 and it had a handful of functions and ate a pair of batteries in 20 minutes. Now I have an app on my phone that does 3000% what that calculator did.

And yes information is worth gold. Actually it's an integral part of MY business and how we make GLOBAL decisions and new products so I understand that concept very well. But, WE ALL have given way any shred of privacy we ever had, willingly, there is no turning back, and it was NEVER a right.

And yet I'm enjoying the hell out of apps like onX Offroad even though I know they are tracking me all over the desert when I'm out and about. So what?!?!? So many folks consumed in indignation because everyone is tracking them. AND yet the end result of that is exactly NOTHING! What negative thing has ever happened to anyone here because an app has tracked them? Not a freaking thing. NO ON cares about an individual data AT ALL, unless you are a terrorist, spy for another government or pedophile. WE are all just TINY LITTLE dots blended into the trend charts that are used to build new product and services that benefit us all.

And as much as we love to bitch about it, In America we don't know what "poor" really is. Go to any country in LatAm, Africa or Asia and you'll see actual poverty. You think you can't afford gas, most folks around the world can't afford a car, or a motorcycle, or even a bike. We think we can't afford a new house, most people don't even have a decent roof over their heads. And if the price of gas is $2 or $5, we still manage to get on with our lives, at ALL levels of the economy landscape. And that doesn't make us spoiled, that makes us advanced!