No Good Deal Goes Unpunished (The 2011 Koolaid)
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No Good Deal Goes Unpunished (The 2011 Koolaid)
Lately I’ve been idly searching for a project pistol to monkey with on the days that USPSA practice isn’t as captivating as it should be. Lately there’s been a proliferation of 2011’s on the market, and that platform has caught my interest a bit as a potential subject for the higher level tinkerer. Unfortunately, as you’ll know if you pay any attention to 2011’s, they’re kind of like Porsches: Even the cheap ones aren’t, and there’s effectively no such thing as an “economical” part in the aftermarket.
So, although I would peruse the ‘net occasionally searching for something interesting enough to pull the trigger on, nothing ever grabbed my attention. You were either paying up front, or paying as you go with mods in this game as far as I could tell, so I shelved the idea. That is, until the fateful morning that I opened up my gun club’s monthly newsletter and perused the “For Sale” section.
There, listed under some half full boxes of hunting ammo for way too much (I’m not kidding), was an interesting ad: A used Staccato XL (previously STI, and their current “competition” model in their lineup) with a swath of accessories and extra magazines, for a price that wasn’t a steal, but wasn’t insulting either. Curious, I texted the seller for details. Everything seemed to check out, and upon our text conversation it became apparent that the accessories it came with came darn close to the value of the gun itself (higher end competition magazines, holsters, and magazine pouches).
After some back and forth, we agreed to meet at the club and he let me put a few mags through it. While, quite frankly, I wasn’t blown away by the gun, I was still curious. What can I say? I’m a sucker for a deal. I told him I would think about it over the weekend, which is when he offered to throw in a Trijicon SRO to the deal. There it was, my sign: He was motivated to move the gun.
(Or maybe I took my scanning of “Never Split the Difference” a little too seriously. Great book.)
After running some numbers, both on the gun and my financials, and asking a few friends more knowledgeable on 2011’s, I decided to throw out an offer. Much to my surprise, while he did not take my offer, he came down on his asking price enough that I knew I would be a fool to pass on the deal. With a virtual “hand shake” we set a time and place to meet up and exchange goods, and conduct the FFL transfer. A few days later, and there I was with my new-to-me Staccato XL with SRO in hand:
However, as I mentioned, I was looking for a project. For better or worse, that’s exactly what I got...
I knew the gun would need some work. It wasn’t exactly spotless, and the previous owner had installed a short trigger and extended magazine release that I wasn’t particularly fond of. I immediately set about doing a better inspection of the gun and making my plans. Unfortunately, I very quickly found a potential trouble area that I should have identified before purchasing:
I’m not sure how I missed this, but as you can see, the previous owner did (or had done) possibly the worst grip reduction job I’ve seen, and on a pistol that originally MSRP’d for more than many mortgages no less! While not pleased with myself, I resigned myself to the fact that this was the risk you take when you play the used gun game.
(He also had lost the trigger guard screw, but that's an easy fix)
Prior to either replacing the grip or throwing the gun out the window, I took it out to the range to function test the gun with my preferred bulk factory ammo, and every magazine it came with. Fortunately the gun functioned fine, which means I wouldn’t be wasting my time salvaging the grip situation. No photos of the groups, as the rear sight became to work its way loose. Good thing that wasn’t staying.
Remember when I said everything in this platform is expensive? I briefly flirted with having Staccato replace the trigger and the grip. Unfortunately, I was quoted, how shall we say, a whole Glock for the parts and work. While it might have been worth it, that wasn’t the spirit of the project. Fortunately, I found a source of factory blemished Staccato grips for a fraction of the new price (the only good deal in the 2011 space, it would seem), and pulled the trigger.
Next came the detail strip, which is required to swap out the trigger and grip. As I tore the pistol down (fortunately, just like everything these days, there are some excellent YouTube videos online about this, and no specialized tools are needed) I found that the gun, though wiped down on the exterior, was absolutely FILTHY under the hood. Like, it looked like it had been stored in a literal sandbox. This simple trigger swap became a deep cleaning mission. Nothing is ever simple.
Fortunately, after a good bit of cussing, scrubbing, and two attempts to reassemble the gun, it went back together without much fuss (especially for a platform this cantankerous). The original OEM medium length trigger does not fit as well in the new grip frame as the original, but that is to be expected, and there are ways to tackle this later should I choose to. The trigger is also, quite frankly, lighter than I would prefer, and will likely get tweaked a bit (or replaced with an aftermarket unit and tuned). Fortunately, the trigger is the only area where the fitting of the replacement grip is not as good as the first one, and it functions 100% as far as I can tell with basic function checks. It’ll do for now.
So I now have in my possession, despite fate’s best efforts, a clean competition grade 2011 with a SRO, and everything I could need short of a literal belt to run it in USPSA should I decide to. While I’m not head over heels for the platform yet, and I certainly don’t plan to sub out my Glock 34 for it in USPSA, I’m interested to put some rounds down range ASAP.
Which, speaking of, I have hired a crack team of local pros to help put the gun through its paces. More to follow on that later...
So, although I would peruse the ‘net occasionally searching for something interesting enough to pull the trigger on, nothing ever grabbed my attention. You were either paying up front, or paying as you go with mods in this game as far as I could tell, so I shelved the idea. That is, until the fateful morning that I opened up my gun club’s monthly newsletter and perused the “For Sale” section.
There, listed under some half full boxes of hunting ammo for way too much (I’m not kidding), was an interesting ad: A used Staccato XL (previously STI, and their current “competition” model in their lineup) with a swath of accessories and extra magazines, for a price that wasn’t a steal, but wasn’t insulting either. Curious, I texted the seller for details. Everything seemed to check out, and upon our text conversation it became apparent that the accessories it came with came darn close to the value of the gun itself (higher end competition magazines, holsters, and magazine pouches).
After some back and forth, we agreed to meet at the club and he let me put a few mags through it. While, quite frankly, I wasn’t blown away by the gun, I was still curious. What can I say? I’m a sucker for a deal. I told him I would think about it over the weekend, which is when he offered to throw in a Trijicon SRO to the deal. There it was, my sign: He was motivated to move the gun.
(Or maybe I took my scanning of “Never Split the Difference” a little too seriously. Great book.)
After running some numbers, both on the gun and my financials, and asking a few friends more knowledgeable on 2011’s, I decided to throw out an offer. Much to my surprise, while he did not take my offer, he came down on his asking price enough that I knew I would be a fool to pass on the deal. With a virtual “hand shake” we set a time and place to meet up and exchange goods, and conduct the FFL transfer. A few days later, and there I was with my new-to-me Staccato XL with SRO in hand:
However, as I mentioned, I was looking for a project. For better or worse, that’s exactly what I got...
I knew the gun would need some work. It wasn’t exactly spotless, and the previous owner had installed a short trigger and extended magazine release that I wasn’t particularly fond of. I immediately set about doing a better inspection of the gun and making my plans. Unfortunately, I very quickly found a potential trouble area that I should have identified before purchasing:
I’m not sure how I missed this, but as you can see, the previous owner did (or had done) possibly the worst grip reduction job I’ve seen, and on a pistol that originally MSRP’d for more than many mortgages no less! While not pleased with myself, I resigned myself to the fact that this was the risk you take when you play the used gun game.
(He also had lost the trigger guard screw, but that's an easy fix)
Prior to either replacing the grip or throwing the gun out the window, I took it out to the range to function test the gun with my preferred bulk factory ammo, and every magazine it came with. Fortunately the gun functioned fine, which means I wouldn’t be wasting my time salvaging the grip situation. No photos of the groups, as the rear sight became to work its way loose. Good thing that wasn’t staying.
Remember when I said everything in this platform is expensive? I briefly flirted with having Staccato replace the trigger and the grip. Unfortunately, I was quoted, how shall we say, a whole Glock for the parts and work. While it might have been worth it, that wasn’t the spirit of the project. Fortunately, I found a source of factory blemished Staccato grips for a fraction of the new price (the only good deal in the 2011 space, it would seem), and pulled the trigger.
Next came the detail strip, which is required to swap out the trigger and grip. As I tore the pistol down (fortunately, just like everything these days, there are some excellent YouTube videos online about this, and no specialized tools are needed) I found that the gun, though wiped down on the exterior, was absolutely FILTHY under the hood. Like, it looked like it had been stored in a literal sandbox. This simple trigger swap became a deep cleaning mission. Nothing is ever simple.
Fortunately, after a good bit of cussing, scrubbing, and two attempts to reassemble the gun, it went back together without much fuss (especially for a platform this cantankerous). The original OEM medium length trigger does not fit as well in the new grip frame as the original, but that is to be expected, and there are ways to tackle this later should I choose to. The trigger is also, quite frankly, lighter than I would prefer, and will likely get tweaked a bit (or replaced with an aftermarket unit and tuned). Fortunately, the trigger is the only area where the fitting of the replacement grip is not as good as the first one, and it functions 100% as far as I can tell with basic function checks. It’ll do for now.
So I now have in my possession, despite fate’s best efforts, a clean competition grade 2011 with a SRO, and everything I could need short of a literal belt to run it in USPSA should I decide to. While I’m not head over heels for the platform yet, and I certainly don’t plan to sub out my Glock 34 for it in USPSA, I’m interested to put some rounds down range ASAP.
Which, speaking of, I have hired a crack team of local pros to help put the gun through its paces. More to follow on that later...
"Speed is the economy of motion" - Scott Jedlinski
Re: No Good Deal Goes Unpunished (The 2011 Koolaid)
Kool purchase
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Wambli Ska
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Re: No Good Deal Goes Unpunished (The 2011 Koolaid)
You couldn’t get him to throw the bullet proof black suit with the deal??? 
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Well that looks like fun!
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Very nice acquisition.
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Re: No Good Deal Goes Unpunished (The 2011 Koolaid)
If it was in the same condition of cleanliness as the gun, I'm good... in the words of Charon in one of the Jon Wick movies when he asks about a cleaning service: "I'm afraid no one is THAT good."Wambli Ska wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2026 1:22 am You couldn’t get him to throw the bullet proof black suit with the deal???![]()
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Re: No Good Deal Goes Unpunished (The 2011 Koolaid)
Keep the short trigger around. The only 1911 I own that I haven't installed one in is the one that was made in 1917; everything else gets the WW2, 1911-A1 treatment. Reason is, unless you have the long fingers of a 7'6" NBA center, there's not much chance of getting the pad of your finger situated in such a way you can pull the trigger straight to the rear; a right-hander will pretty much always be pulling left. The Jabba The Hutt fatness of 2011 frames only makes the phenomenon worse
Extended mag button and ice cream scoop mag funnel on a gun that uses tapered mags. . .ok. . .you're gonna use it as a race gun, so, ok.
You should be able to increase the trigger pull with a little careful forward bending of the left two leaves of the sear spring. Far left pivots the sear into the hammer notch; center powers trigger reset and disconnector.
Be ready for extractor, recoil spring, and mag spring replacements. The guns are like Porches (or maybe Beemers) in more ways than one.
Edit. . .Oh, and for what it's worth, there is a sticker out there that says "STACCATOS ARE GAY" that looks for all the world like official factory promo material. Shop accordingly.
Extended mag button and ice cream scoop mag funnel on a gun that uses tapered mags. . .ok. . .you're gonna use it as a race gun, so, ok.
You should be able to increase the trigger pull with a little careful forward bending of the left two leaves of the sear spring. Far left pivots the sear into the hammer notch; center powers trigger reset and disconnector.
Be ready for extractor, recoil spring, and mag spring replacements. The guns are like Porches (or maybe Beemers) in more ways than one.
Edit. . .Oh, and for what it's worth, there is a sticker out there that says "STACCATOS ARE GAY" that looks for all the world like official factory promo material. Shop accordingly.
WWJMBD?
I believe we should stand on Ceremony. . . while our friends handcuff the sanctimonious little prick and take him away.
I believe we should stand on Ceremony. . . while our friends handcuff the sanctimonious little prick and take him away.
Re: No Good Deal Goes Unpunished (The 2011 Koolaid)
Interesting...sounds like quite the adventure...
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Re: No Good Deal Goes Unpunished (The 2011 Koolaid)
That was a great sceneshotgunshooter3 wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2026 3:10 amIf it was in the same condition of cleanliness as the gun, I'm good... in the words of Charon in one of the Jon Wick movies when he asks about a cleaning service: "I'm afraid no one is THAT good."Wambli Ska wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2026 1:22 am You couldn’t get him to throw the bullet proof black suit with the deal???![]()
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Edit. . .Oh, and for what it's worth, there is a sticker out there that says "STACCATOS ARE GAY" that looks for all the world like official factory promo material. Shop accordingly. 
Jeep owners take note
Now I can't even comment on the gun .....geez
Jeep owners take note
Now I can't even comment on the gun .....geez
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"Speed is the economy of motion" - Scott Jedlinski
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If anything, I haven't cussed at a gun in awhile. I'm not head over heels with the platform yet, but this will be an interesting journey, as the hippies say.
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"Speed is the economy of motion" - Scott Jedlinski
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Great, now I'm going to kill an entire evening trying to find a 10 pack online.
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“The shepherd slaughters more of the flock than the wolf ever will.”
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Thus far, I've only seen one in the wild and nothing online. Post a link if you score. . . the sticker.shotgunshooter3 wrote: ↑Fri May 22, 2026 10:48 pmGreat, now I'm going to kill an entire evening trying to find a 10 pack online.
WWJMBD?
I believe we should stand on Ceremony. . . while our friends handcuff the sanctimonious little prick and take him away.
I believe we should stand on Ceremony. . . while our friends handcuff the sanctimonious little prick and take him away.
Re: No Good Deal Goes Unpunished (The 2011 Koolaid)
It was a great shooter! Not really my thing but cool nonetheless the less. The eyepatch on the optic was a cool experience! Thanks!
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It was in fact a really cool pistol. And yes, the reddot trick was interesting to say the least.
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NIIIIIIICE!!
Lovely photography too - I saved your B&W to my rotating "wallpaper" directory.
Lovely photography too - I saved your B&W to my rotating "wallpaper" directory.
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"Speed is the economy of motion" - Scott Jedlinski
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Thanks!
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Re: No Good Deal Goes Unpunished (The 2011 Koolaid)
Got out to the range today with the best testing squad within 250 miles of the Rockies... Rang out roughly 200ish rounds through the Staccato, plus quite a few other great guns today! The Staccato ran flawlessly with the OEM magazine and the 4 MBX's it came with in the deal. Handling was what you would expect from a heavy 9mm, and when I paid enough attention to do my part the gun performed. Return to target, etc, were all good with some adjustments to my inputs vs. a Glawk.
I also brought along the G34, G47, and extra G45 slide to both compare to the 2011, and to function check after switching out all the springs (LONG overdue on the G34) and polishing the internals. They performed well, is Glawk afterall. Ignore the missing MOS cover plate on the G47, as of an hour ago it wears an OSight C for future science.
All the things I look for in an action sports gun are there, and overall I'm enjoying the gun, and pleased with the performance, but am not 100% sold on buying a case of the proverbial Koolaid quite yet. I'll be running my trusty Glock 34 in a USPSA match soon, then work will take me away from the game for a bit. Later this summer I'm looking forward to messing with the gun a bit more and getting it on a timer for a better comparison to the Glock. More to follow!
I also brought along the G34, G47, and extra G45 slide to both compare to the 2011, and to function check after switching out all the springs (LONG overdue on the G34) and polishing the internals. They performed well, is Glawk afterall. Ignore the missing MOS cover plate on the G47, as of an hour ago it wears an OSight C for future science.
All the things I look for in an action sports gun are there, and overall I'm enjoying the gun, and pleased with the performance, but am not 100% sold on buying a case of the proverbial Koolaid quite yet. I'll be running my trusty Glock 34 in a USPSA match soon, then work will take me away from the game for a bit. Later this summer I'm looking forward to messing with the gun a bit more and getting it on a timer for a better comparison to the Glock. More to follow!
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Re: No Good Deal Goes Unpunished (The 2011 Koolaid)
Was a FUN day it was raining Brass, literally raining brass! 
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I simply do not understand how you could be getting rained on from a covered shooting position.
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