Ok got an urge

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Ok got an urge

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Ok, yesterday AM I was engaging in one of my retirement past times, arguing on the internet, and I was told that Oswald could not have done it because no one can shoot a bolt action ww2 rifle accurately at the rate the Warren commission says happened from the Zabruder film.

This afternoon I was practicing some offhand sweating some weight off. When I got done, I got a wild hair.

So, set the stage. Oswald had a rest, a scope, an 81 yard target that was for arguments sake 10 MOA high and 8 MOA wide moving slightly at an oblique at 11 mph. He missed once. The time between the 2 hits from the film frames was 4.8 to 5.6 seconds. A Carcano full rifle like he was using with the correct 6.5 bullets, will shoot pretty well. Not as well as a Rem 700 although with newer 700's that is debatable. But it will hold under 6 moa easy, at least the one I shot did. 6.5 Carcano is .004 larger than US std. Hornady used to run them once a year. They got a bad rap because US companys were loading ammo that was to small to engage the rifling.
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200 yards, Xring is 1.5 MOA, bone stock 03A3 down to the 1944 rebarrel. 150gr 06 soft point that has been in the basement for decades, sling and mat so I am the rest..

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10 seconds for 3 hits, time between hits 5 sec, AKA dead on warren commissions guess and I didnt miss.

So hitting a target that is about 4x as large, even moving away is hardly out of the realm of possibility.
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I like your experiment! There have been numerous documentaries that have made the same point but there's nothing more fun than doing it yourself.
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Kinda how I looked at it
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Well. . .the National Match standard course for rapid fire is 10 rounds in 60 seconds for 200 yards and 70 seconds for 300 yards, with a mandated reload somewhere in the middle, and a perfect score requires results of 1 MOA or better. Oswald would have needed something in the realm of a 4 MOA and was operating at about a third the distance. . . with a rifle pretty well suited to shooting at that distance.

But I lean more to the theory of Oswald making the neck shot, and the "pink mist" was caused by a negligent discharge from a AR15 in the Secret Service chase car whose agent lost his balance when the driver stomped on the gas..
WWJMBD?

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In my mind it’s if Oswald did it.

It’s who told him to.
#tinfoilhat
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CPJ 2.0 wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2026 2:31 pm In my mind it’s if Oswald did it.

It’s who told him to.
#tinfoilhat
The same person (people) who told Ruby to take him out.
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Bigslug wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2026 12:46 pm Well. . .the National Match standard course for rapid fire is 10 rounds in 60 seconds for 200 yards and 70 seconds for 300 yards, with a mandated reload somewhere in the middle, and a perfect score requires results of 1 MOA or better. Oswald would have needed something in the realm of a 4 MOA and was operating at about a third the distance. . . with a rifle pretty well suited to shooting at that distance.

But I lean more to the theory of Oswald making the neck shot, and the "pink mist" was caused by a negligent discharge from a AR15 in the Secret Service chase car whose agent lost his balance when the driver stomped on the gas..
There was a whole book about that theory that I read. It actually made a lot of sense.
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I do not remember, was Oswald supposed to be using military ammo? I do know that with my Carcano and military ammo you are lucky to hit a 12 inch target at 50 yards.
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If I ever plan on committing a serious crime with a firearm in the future, I'll be sure to make sure my wife takes a picture of me holding the weapon while I hold up a current newspaper, just to authenticate the moment.
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rberg wrote: Fri Jun 12, 2026 1:17 am I do not remember, was Oswald supposed to be using military ammo? I do know that with my Carcano and military ammo you are lucky to hit a 12 inch target at 50 yards.
As I recall, supposedly a Winchester equivalent to the mil spec load, sort of like the "Garand safe" M2 ball repro ammo being produced today.

Supposedly. . . :lol:
WWJMBD?

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