To dot, or not to dot: That is the question...

[GrapeApe]

I keep thinking about buying another slide cut for a slide ride dot, for the Dagger.
I can get one for as cheap as $!49.99 + tax and S&H
https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-dag ... nless.html

and this https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BXKWLMRG/?c ... _lig_dp_it

Yeah, it's "cheap" but it'll do to help me decide if I want to stay with a dot or not.
Thoughts?

[CPJ 2.0]

When PSA has Holosuns on sale for $169, aint a chance Id spend $100 on that.

[CPJ 2.0]

Or should I say....did.
I knew I should have snagged one.

[jbp-ohio]

My Hellcat came with a RMSc. Tried a couple different holsters but couldn't find one that kept my fatness from rubbing on it..... it is currently off until I find one.

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[shotgunshooter3]

For a general experiment to see if you like a dot pistol, go for it.

For actual EDC I would get something with a better reputation. RMR Type 2's are starting to go on sale as the new gen comes out.

[Japhy]

I second the vote for the Holosun. Put one on (407)the Ruger MKII. I tried Burris, Vortex and Holosun 507 before buying. Regardless of the price the Holosun stood out.
Another advantage was I was able to see and correct issues I was not aware of that significantly improved accuracy and speed with both the dot and irons.

[CPJ 2.0]

$179


https://palmettostatearmory.com/holosun ... m_content=

[Bigslug]

Try somebody else's gun. Not a lot of sense in buying a crap sight to replace it with a good one. Once you know if dots are for you, you can start hitting us up for the features you might find desirable.

But I'll tell ya, if you're at the point where artificial lenses are the only way to shift between looking at stuff at arm's length and target distance, it isn't a contest.

[CPJ 2.0]

But I'll tell ya, if you're at the point where artificial lenses are the only way to shift between looking at stuff at arm's length and target distance, it isn't a contest.

Yeah. That.
Added Bonus, it makes you better(faster at least for me) with regular sights also. Dots take a little getting used to, but an evening of drawing practice and youll have it.

[Zsarvashere]

Been thinking of going dot soon myself. I have always followed th kiss concept with my carry pieces. However 50 is fast approaching and the eyes just don't have it anymore.

[Wambli Ska]

If $90 is what’s on the budget now then so be it. You can always swap it out and drop it on a .22 later when you commit to red dots for carry… and you will

[shotgunshooter3]

Remember when everyone on this forum said RDS handguns were silly unneeded complications? Pepperidge Farm remembers...

[CPJ 2.0]

Remember when everyone on this forum said RDS handguns were silly unneeded complications? Pepperidge Farm remembers...

You shut your filthy whore mouth!

[breamfisher]

"If you need a red dot, you shouldn't carry!" was my favorite comment.

[CPJ 2.0]

I dont like the extra dingus poking out.
I dont like batteries or electronics that will fail.

I DO like being able to acquire a sight picture quick fast in a hurry.
And I can shoot 50 times better than before. And if the poop goes down and my dot does too, I still feel reasonably confident at reasonable ranges with just the front sight.

Calculated risk and all that rot.

[Bigslug]

I dont like the extra dingus poking out.
I dont like batteries or electronics that will fail.

I DO like being able to acquire a sight picture quick fast in a hurry.
And I can shoot 50 times better than before. And if the poop goes down and my dot does too, I still feel reasonably confident at reasonable ranges with just the front sight.

Calculated risk and all that rot.

Right there with ya. The process in my brain goes something like this:

1. We had a good number of absolute geniuses - Browning, Borchardt, Mauser, Glock, etc... - pour a lot of effort into refining the modern semi-auto into something you can drop into a mud puddle, park a truck on top of for a week, and have a decent expectation that it will come up shooting.

2. Now you tell me we're going to attach glass, wires, gears, microchips, and batteries to it. . .using a handful of dweeby little screws with some glue on the threads???

Yes, this bugs me, BUT:

3. While you can't trust even the best of them like a blood relative you grew up with, they are at the point you can trust them like the decent co-worker you've been able to study for six months - it's definitely better when he shows up for work, but you have a plan for when he turns in his notice (backup iron sights).

A lot of the classes for using these things cover techniques for dealing with the different types of system failure - dead battery, broken glass, muddy window, etc... Best way to look at it is that we realize inflated rubber tires are so much of better thing to drive on than solid wooden wagon wheels that we accept the slight possibility of a flat by having spares in the trunk and a AAA card in our back pocket.

[CPJ 2.0]

Remember when everyone on this forum said RDS handguns were silly unneeded complications? Pepperidge Farm remembers...

Aside from a dit on a 22 pistol, yours was the first I had shot on a defensive type gun.

I HATED IT.

But, that was but one magazine full, and I didn’t take/have the time to understand it.

[GrapeApe]

I had my 6" 686-3 DT'd and put a small dot on it. HATED it
Still have it, and its special tool needed to adjust it, somewhere.
Have no intention of using it again.
It was either a Bushnell or Burris and has a weaver mount, non-removable, on it

[shotgunshooter3]

Remember when everyone on this forum said RDS handguns were silly unneeded complications? Pepperidge Farm remembers...

Aside from a dit on a 22 pistol, yours was the first I had shot on a defensive type gun.

I HATED IT.

But, that was but one magazine full, and I didn’t take/have the time to understand it.

I maintain that it's not a solution for the casual user. For the more serious user willing to put the work in, it is legitimately a better tool.

[Justsomedude]

Whatever you do, if you go with the holosun don't get the 507c or 407c, get the K so it doesn't hang way over the edge of the slide. They look awkward like that.

[bullsi1911]

Remember when everyone on this forum said RDS handguns were silly unneeded complications? Pepperidge Farm remembers...

That was on some other forum… i don’t think that forum even exists anymore

Yes, I carry a PSA dagger with a Holosun red-dot on it as my main carry gun these days. They do make ME faster and more accurate at 0-25 yards. But I got to play with handguns at much longer ranges last week, and found that I am still a better shot with irons on a handgun at 50, 100 and 200 yards.

And when I’m wearing corrective lenses, the dot is MUCH easier to shoot with.

[GrapeApe]

I honestly don't remember what, or even if I replied back then. I DO know that originally, battery life SUCKED hind teat and IF I poo poo'ed them, that was possibly one of the reasons I would have.
Improvements in the electronics and things like "shake awake" have made that a non-issue now though.

There are 8,760 hours (actually 8,766, that's why we have a leap year every 4 years) in a year and some of the new "slide rides" list battery lives up to more than 5x that. That's quite the improvement

[GrapeApe]

Whatever you do, if you go with the holosun don't get the 507c or 407c, get the K so it doesn't hang way over the edge of the slide. They look awkward like that.

The Ks I can find only come in 6moa dot size

[GrapeApe]

Order placed
https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-dag ... -gray.html
and
https://palmettostatearmory.com/holosun ... s407a.html

[GrapeApe]

When PSA has Holosuns on sale for $169, aint a chance Id spend $100 on that.

$179 now