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Justsomedude wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 2:57 am How would solving future problems create more work for later? Anyone with a soldering iron can get it loose, easily. Have you ever tried it? It's main function is to support the threads 100%.

Zee wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:17 am

CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 2:59 am

Zee wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 2:34 am That’s a hack to create more business for a gun smith.

How?

How does that not screw up the threads for further screws once you remove the old screws if you want to change bases?

Zee wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:22 am

Justsomedude wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 2:57 am How would solving future problems create more work for later? Anyone with a soldering iron can get it loose, easily. Have you ever tried it? It's main function is to support the threads 100%.

I’d recon a vast majority of hunters don’t have that knowledge or skill to remove or replace said screws. They hunt. They don’t know guns.
Just an assumption.

If they’re coming to you to mount their scope and base…..case in point.

CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:23 am

Zee wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:17 am

CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 2:59 am

How?

How does that not screw up the threads for further screws once you remove the old screws if you want to change bases?

It doesn’t weld itself to the threads. There isn’t but a C hair of spade between the threads. Worst case you run a tap through and done.

CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:24 am

Zee wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:22 am

Justsomedude wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 2:57 am How would solving future problems create more work for later? Anyone with a soldering iron can get it loose, easily. Have you ever tried it? It's main function is to support the threads 100%.

I’d recon a vast majority of hunters don’t have that knowledge or skill to remove or replace said screws. They hunt. They don’t know guns.
Just an assumption.

If they’re coming to you to mount their scope and base…..case in point.

That’s why gunsmiths are a thing.
Just like everyone doesn’t sell shoes. Or service fire systems.

Zee wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:24 am

CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:23 am

Zee wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:17 am

How does that not screw up the threads for further screws once you remove the old screws if you want to change bases?

It doesn’t weld itself to the threads. There isn’t but a C hair of spade between the threads. Worst case you run a tap through and done.

Again…….not the average Joe capability. Proves my point.

CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:26 am

Zee wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:24 am

CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:23 am

It doesn’t weld itself to the threads. There isn’t but a C hair of spade between the threads. Worst case you run a tap through and done.

Again…….not the average Joe capability. Proves my point.

If you can’t run a tap in a hole that’s already tapped, you’re a ham fisted moron that has no business with a screw driver.

Zee wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:17 am

CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 2:59 am

Zee wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 2:34 am That’s a hack to create more business for a gun smith.

How?

How does that not screw up the threads for further screws once you remove the old screws if you want to change bases?

Justsomedude wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:43 am I've had people that lack so much self confidence, and maybe also mechanical skill that have brought me things like putting on new grip panels. I often try to convince them that they have the ability to do it and when they insist I usually just do it while they wait and give them a business card when they try to pay me. So yes, there are some people incapable of simple things but I make sure everyone that needs special instructions gets them before they leave.

Justsomedude wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:57 am I think alot of people seriously over estimate the strength and ability of JB weld.

Diver43 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:54 am

Justsomedude wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:43 am I've had people that lack so much self confidence, and maybe also mechanical skill that have brought me things like putting on new grip panels. I often try to convince them that they have the ability to do it and when they insist I usually just do it while they wait and give them a business card when they try to pay me. So yes, there are some people incapable of simple things but I make sure everyone that needs special instructions gets them before they leave.

I have to be honest, while I am not afraid to work on my guns, disassemble, replace parts, even did my own 10-22 trigger job after CPJ talked me into it, and so far haven't ruined anything. But the idea of putting JB weld to mount a scope, like in the holes in the receiver? Not sure I would do that, especially on a brand new gun that costs over 1 K
If you told me it must be done, id pay you or someone else I trust. I know the scope will eventually be upgraded so it must be removable

shotgunshooter3 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 12:37 pm

Diver43 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:54 am

Justsomedude wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:43 am I've had people that lack so much self confidence, and maybe also mechanical skill that have brought me things like putting on new grip panels. I often try to convince them that they have the ability to do it and when they insist I usually just do it while they wait and give them a business card when they try to pay me. So yes, there are some people incapable of simple things but I make sure everyone that needs special instructions gets them before they leave.

I have to be honest, while I am not afraid to work on my guns, disassemble, replace parts, even did my own 10-22 trigger job after CPJ talked me into it, and so far haven't ruined anything. But the idea of putting JB weld to mount a scope, like in the holes in the receiver? Not sure I would do that, especially on a brand new gun that costs over 1 K
If you told me it must be done, id pay you or someone else I trust. I know the scope will eventually be upgraded so it must be removable

I'm kind of in this camp as well. If it can be done with my Midway "Gunsmith" screwdriver set, some punches, and a torque wrench I'm not afraid to give it a go. Anything beyond that I start looking to field help from professionals.

Zee wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:28 am Hell, I know a poop load about guns and even I’VE never run a tap on a receiver screw!! My knuckles drag the ground.
Point is, you are creating an issue that the creator will likely have to fix if/when there is ever a decision change.

So. Absolutely NOT on a layman’s rifle unless you plan on a repeat customer. Or a dumbass.

farmboy II wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:30 pm

Zee wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:28 am Hell, I know a poop load about guns and even I’VE never run a tap on a receiver screw!! My knuckles drag the ground.
Point is, you are creating an issue that the creator will likely have to fix if/when there is ever a decision change.

So. Absolutely NOT on a layman’s rifle unless you plan on a repeat customer. Or a dumbass.

Put it in these terms. What the JB Weld is doing the same work as Devcon in bedding an action. It’s not there to hold the screw in as much as remove the possibility of parts shifting on the screw.
One other thought would be, how often do scope bases get changed?

Zee wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:11 pm Hell, I cuss up a storm when our armored uses RockSet on muzzle brakes!! It’s not needed and it’s a pain in the ass!! Some gun smiths don’t think past their noses.
His explanation is, I shouldn’t be swapping them anyway. So, why worry about it?
Case in point of justifying their existence.

Zee wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:55 pm

farmboy II wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:30 pm

Zee wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 3:28 am Hell, I know a poop load about guns and even I’VE never run a tap on a receiver screw!! My knuckles drag the ground.
Point is, you are creating an issue that the creator will likely have to fix if/when there is ever a decision change.

So. Absolutely NOT on a layman’s rifle unless you plan on a repeat customer. Or a dumbass.

Put it in these terms. What the JB Weld is doing the same work as Devcon in bedding an action. It’s not there to hold the screw in as much as remove the possibility of parts shifting on the screw.
One other thought would be, how often do scope bases get changed?

I get that. But, I disagree with the necessity and the added steps to undo the action.
On the flip side, my knuckles drag the ground. So, there is that.