Guess I need to build a 6 ARC!

[Chiro1989]

Zee speak like Jay, not have long thread

[Zee]

Having had the conversation with Zee, looking at load data and BSing, I support his idea.

I believe he said he’s looking at going with around a 20” barrel. The benefit you get with going with the Encore action is, you can load to the higher bolt gun pressure. And the chamber is essentially 6” further back than a bolt gun. Which makes the OAL of the rifle shorter. Shorter, handier, lighter. Suppressor friendly. Should make for a pretty handy tote around gun.

I get his thing with not wanting to go bolt gun. It loses its appeal in a regular length short action. You can just go 243 if that’s the case. And starting over with a new action, like the Howa, means starting with a new footprint, new chassis. More $

I went with the Howa rather than a gas gun specifically for the better ballistics. Essentially having very close to 243 performance out of a true 223 length action, at higher pressure than a gas gun. And I don’t fling my brass into the next county.

I don’t consider the 6ARC a neutered 243. In a gas gun, yes. Looking at book load data, bolt gun loads using 105 grain bullets pick up 300 fps over gas gun loads at max. 2850 fps is what Hornady data says. I have yet to test this. But that’s a lot of speed left on the table.

Other benefits, 6ARC gets that performance using less powder. Less recoil than an 243. Which could be nice in the Encore platform. And, it uses small rifle primers, not large. Large rifle primers have still been more difficult to find, for me. Zee gets free brass. Already has bullets for the cartridge. So, he’s looking at a few hundred for a barrel, then use components he already has on the shelf. Why not?

Finally!!!! A smart one!!

[Wambli Ska]

Well there you go, another fun mud flinging, fun-poking, emotional ranting, butt slapping session stopped by some dude spewing logic…

That’s why we can’t have any fun around here

[CPJ 2.0]

Having had the conversation with Zee, looking at load data and BSing, I support his idea.

I believe he said he’s looking at going with around a 20” barrel. The benefit you get with going with the Encore action is, you can load to the higher bolt gun pressure. And the chamber is essentially 6” further back than a bolt gun. Which makes the OAL of the rifle shorter. Shorter, handier, lighter. Suppressor friendly. Should make for a pretty handy tote around gun.

I get his thing with not wanting to go bolt gun. It loses its appeal in a regular length short action. You can just go 243 if that’s the case. And starting over with a new action, like the Howa, means starting with a new footprint, new chassis. More $

I went with the Howa rather than a gas gun specifically for the better ballistics. Essentially having very close to 243 performance out of a true 223 length action, at higher pressure than a gas gun. And I don’t fling my brass into the next county.

I don’t consider the 6ARC a neutered 243. In a gas gun, yes. Looking at book load data, bolt gun loads using 105 grain bullets pick up 300 fps over gas gun loads at max. 2850 fps is what Hornady data says. I have yet to test this. But that’s a lot of speed left on the table.

Other benefits, 6ARC gets that performance using less powder. Less recoil than an 243. Which could be nice in the Encore platform. And, it uses small rifle primers, not large. Large rifle primers have still been more difficult to find, for me. Zee gets free brass. Already has bullets for the cartridge. So, he’s looking at a few hundred for a barrel, then use components he already has on the shelf. Why not?

Finally!!!! A smart one!!

Of course you’re siding with him. Pretty convenient that he’s gonna host you for dove hunting next week.
Classic case of hoes before bros.

[Freezer]

[Zee]

Having had the conversation with Zee, looking at load data and BSing, I support his idea.

I believe he said he’s looking at going with around a 20” barrel. The benefit you get with going with the Encore action is, you can load to the higher bolt gun pressure. And the chamber is essentially 6” further back than a bolt gun. Which makes the OAL of the rifle shorter. Shorter, handier, lighter. Suppressor friendly. Should make for a pretty handy tote around gun.

I get his thing with not wanting to go bolt gun. It loses its appeal in a regular length short action. You can just go 243 if that’s the case. And starting over with a new action, like the Howa, means starting with a new footprint, new chassis. More $

I went with the Howa rather than a gas gun specifically for the better ballistics. Essentially having very close to 243 performance out of a true 223 length action, at higher pressure than a gas gun. And I don’t fling my brass into the next county.

I don’t consider the 6ARC a neutered 243. In a gas gun, yes. Looking at book load data, bolt gun loads using 105 grain bullets pick up 300 fps over gas gun loads at max. 2850 fps is what Hornady data says. I have yet to test this. But that’s a lot of speed left on the table.

Other benefits, 6ARC gets that performance using less powder. Less recoil than an 243. Which could be nice in the Encore platform. And, it uses small rifle primers, not large. Large rifle primers have still been more difficult to find, for me. Zee gets free brass. Already has bullets for the cartridge. So, he’s looking at a few hundred for a barrel, then use components he already has on the shelf. Why not?

Finally!!!! A smart one!!

Of course you’re siding with him. Pretty convenient that he’s gonna host you for dove hunting next week.
Classic case of hoes before bros.

And?!?

[Zee]

Zee speak like Jay, not have long thread

Ha! Don’t judge me.

[mitdr774]

Now we just need to wait to see what he decides to use for bullet and powder combinations. While I have a .243 (3, but one is shot out and another is intended as a donor for something else) I still see a lot of the advantages of the 6 ARC. I have no grand visions of the 6 ARC pushing a 90gr CX at 3300+ FPS like my .243, but if it can fling a 100gr at 2800+ FPS I could see it being a fairly effective short range deer cartridge. It should be a very economical cartridge to shoot compared to the typical 6mm cartridges. Im sure it will be far more economical than the 6mm-06 I want to put together.

[Ernie]

A 100-109 grain bullet that will open up on deer sized game with a MV of 2800 fps....Wait hold the farm!!!
A 2655 MV with a 6mm 109 ELD-M (At my elevation) keeps an impact velocity at over 1800 fps out to 700 yards

[mitdr774]

A 100-109 grain bullet that will open up on deer sized game with a MV of 2800 fps....Wait hold the farm!!!
A 2655 MV with a 6mm 109 ELD-M (At my elevation) keeps an impact velocity at over 1800 fps out to 700 yards

I have a healthy supply of 100gr InterLock bullets and that was my plan if I put together a 6 ARC. Hornady has the .243 topping out at 3000 fps with that bullet, but the far weaker and pointless 6 ARC only tops out at a pathetic 2900 fps in a bolt gun....

Just picked up a donor .243 that im going to test out with some 100gr hoping it doesnt shoot. Eventually I will probably rebarrel my Howa mini to 6 ARC though.

[Zee]

I’d run my lifetime supply of 105 A-Max and 85gr Sierra HPBT-GK. Maybe some of the others I have.
I’m less worried about the numbers that bug you and more interested in the end results.

[Ernie]

Yep

[mitdr774]

Looking forward to your eventual results posting.