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Jay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2024 1:40 pm Having had the conversation with Zee, looking at load data and BSing, I support his idea.

I believe he said he’s looking at going with around a 20” barrel. The benefit you get with going with the Encore action is, you can load to the higher bolt gun pressure. And the chamber is essentially 6” further back than a bolt gun. Which makes the OAL of the rifle shorter. Shorter, handier, lighter. Suppressor friendly. Should make for a pretty handy tote around gun.

I get his thing with not wanting to go bolt gun. It loses its appeal in a regular length short action. You can just go 243 if that’s the case. And starting over with a new action, like the Howa, means starting with a new footprint, new chassis. More $

I went with the Howa rather than a gas gun specifically for the better ballistics. Essentially having very close to 243 performance out of a true 223 length action, at higher pressure than a gas gun. And I don’t fling my brass into the next county.

I don’t consider the 6ARC a neutered 243. In a gas gun, yes. Looking at book load data, bolt gun loads using 105 grain bullets pick up 300 fps over gas gun loads at max. 2850 fps is what Hornady data says. I have yet to test this. But that’s a lot of speed left on the table.

Other benefits, 6ARC gets that performance using less powder. Less recoil than an 243. Which could be nice in the Encore platform. And, it uses small rifle primers, not large. Large rifle primers have still been more difficult to find, for me. Zee gets free brass. Already has bullets for the cartridge. So, he’s looking at a few hundred for a barrel, then use components he already has on the shelf. Why not?

Zee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2024 2:17 pm

Jay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2024 1:40 pm Having had the conversation with Zee, looking at load data and BSing, I support his idea.

I believe he said he’s looking at going with around a 20” barrel. The benefit you get with going with the Encore action is, you can load to the higher bolt gun pressure. And the chamber is essentially 6” further back than a bolt gun. Which makes the OAL of the rifle shorter. Shorter, handier, lighter. Suppressor friendly. Should make for a pretty handy tote around gun.

I get his thing with not wanting to go bolt gun. It loses its appeal in a regular length short action. You can just go 243 if that’s the case. And starting over with a new action, like the Howa, means starting with a new footprint, new chassis. More $

I went with the Howa rather than a gas gun specifically for the better ballistics. Essentially having very close to 243 performance out of a true 223 length action, at higher pressure than a gas gun. And I don’t fling my brass into the next county.

I don’t consider the 6ARC a neutered 243. In a gas gun, yes. Looking at book load data, bolt gun loads using 105 grain bullets pick up 300 fps over gas gun loads at max. 2850 fps is what Hornady data says. I have yet to test this. But that’s a lot of speed left on the table.

Other benefits, 6ARC gets that performance using less powder. Less recoil than an 243. Which could be nice in the Encore platform. And, it uses small rifle primers, not large. Large rifle primers have still been more difficult to find, for me. Zee gets free brass. Already has bullets for the cartridge. So, he’s looking at a few hundred for a barrel, then use components he already has on the shelf. Why not?

Finally!!!! A smart one!!

CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2024 8:06 pm

Zee wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2024 2:17 pm

Jay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2024 1:40 pm Having had the conversation with Zee, looking at load data and BSing, I support his idea.

I believe he said he’s looking at going with around a 20” barrel. The benefit you get with going with the Encore action is, you can load to the higher bolt gun pressure. And the chamber is essentially 6” further back than a bolt gun. Which makes the OAL of the rifle shorter. Shorter, handier, lighter. Suppressor friendly. Should make for a pretty handy tote around gun.

I get his thing with not wanting to go bolt gun. It loses its appeal in a regular length short action. You can just go 243 if that’s the case. And starting over with a new action, like the Howa, means starting with a new footprint, new chassis. More $

I went with the Howa rather than a gas gun specifically for the better ballistics. Essentially having very close to 243 performance out of a true 223 length action, at higher pressure than a gas gun. And I don’t fling my brass into the next county.

I don’t consider the 6ARC a neutered 243. In a gas gun, yes. Looking at book load data, bolt gun loads using 105 grain bullets pick up 300 fps over gas gun loads at max. 2850 fps is what Hornady data says. I have yet to test this. But that’s a lot of speed left on the table.

Other benefits, 6ARC gets that performance using less powder. Less recoil than an 243. Which could be nice in the Encore platform. And, it uses small rifle primers, not large. Large rifle primers have still been more difficult to find, for me. Zee gets free brass. Already has bullets for the cartridge. So, he’s looking at a few hundred for a barrel, then use components he already has on the shelf. Why not?

Finally!!!! A smart one!!

Of course you’re siding with him. Pretty convenient that he’s gonna host you for dove hunting next week.
Classic case of hoes before bros.

Chiro1989 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 22, 2024 2:15 pm Zee speak like Jay, not have long thread

Ernie wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2024 8:49 pm A 100-109 grain bullet that will open up on deer sized game with a MV of 2800 fps....Wait hold the farm!!!
A 2655 MV with a 6mm 109 ELD-M (At my elevation) keeps an impact velocity at over 1800 fps out to 700 yards