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Re: And the Oscar for More Balls Than Brains category...

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2026 12:02 am
by Elk Creek
What about a strong magnet from the top?

Re: And the Oscar for More Balls Than Brains category...

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2026 12:32 pm
by Freezer
Wambli Ska wrote: ↑Sat Feb 28, 2026 11:52 pm
Freezer wrote: ↑Sat Feb 28, 2026 11:12 pm I was just looking at it, you're half way. Finish taking it apart and start bluing it one piece at a time. I use a heat gun to warm the metal parts and do at least three coats. You will be happy with what you get, a cool old gun that is fun to shoot and you won't mind handling it rough.
That is the current plan. It's actually sitting on my desk in my office while I take pictures and SLOWLY take it down to a pile of parts. one of the pins in this gun defies finding a punch small enough for it.
I've used brass wire brads and hemostats for those little suckers! Just cut off the point with dikes. It might take a few but you get a hundred in a box ;)

Re: And the Oscar for More Balls Than Brains category...

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2026 2:25 pm
by Bigslug
It looks like the triggerguard is recessed to accept that V-spring. Is it possible that you're supposed to install the spring in the triggerguard, and then install the triggerguard onto the frame?

They DID produce a buttload of those things. Yes, there's the possibility of specialized jigs and fixtures for holding stuff at the factory, but they were designed to be assembled at least somewhat en masse. Likely there's a hack to it.

Re: And the Oscar for More Balls Than Brains category...

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2026 3:14 pm
by Wambli Ska
Elk Creek wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2026 12:02 am What about a strong magnet from the top?
Hummmmm, I’ll have to think about that πŸ‘

Re: And the Oscar for More Balls Than Brains category...

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2026 3:15 pm
by Wambli Ska
Freezer wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2026 12:32 pm
Wambli Ska wrote: ↑Sat Feb 28, 2026 11:52 pm
Freezer wrote: ↑Sat Feb 28, 2026 11:12 pm I was just looking at it, you're half way. Finish taking it apart and start bluing it one piece at a time. I use a heat gun to warm the metal parts and do at least three coats. You will be happy with what you get, a cool old gun that is fun to shoot and you won't mind handling it rough.
That is the current plan. It's actually sitting on my desk in my office while I take pictures and SLOWLY take it down to a pile of parts. one of the pins in this gun defies finding a punch small enough for it.
I've used brass wire brads and hemostats for those little suckers! Just cut off the point with dikes. It might take a few but you get a hundred in a box ;)
Another cool idea

Re: And the Oscar for More Balls Than Brains category...

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2026 3:19 pm
by Wambli Ska
Bigslug wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2026 2:25 pm It looks like the triggerguard is recessed to accept that V-spring. Is it possible that you're supposed to install the spring in the triggerguard, and then install the triggerguard onto the frame?

They DID produce a buttload of those things. Yes, there's the possibility of specialized jigs and fixtures for holding stuff at the factory, but they were designed to be assembled at least somewhat en masse. Likely there's a hack to it.
And that’s exactly my thought process. These guys were made for speedy production. There HAS to be an easy way to do this. And i’ve tried to work from the trigger guard end but there is nothing in that recess holding it in place and the little ledge this sits on is TINY!!! Almost a small as a1911 sear.

Re: And the Oscar for More Balls Than Brains category...

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2026 5:42 pm
by JunkCollector
I didn't look at everything don't feel like using my brain too much at the moment.

Thought I had was compressing spring and tying at the top or using a rubber band to compress and being able to un tie or cut

Re: And the Oscar for More Balls Than Brains category...

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2026 6:47 pm
by Wambli Ska
JunkCollector wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2026 5:42 pm I didn't look at everything don't feel like using my brain too much at the moment.

Thought I had was compressing spring and tying at the top or using a rubber band to compress and being able to un tie or cut
Not a half bad idea!

Re: And the Oscar for More Balls Than Brains category...

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2026 7:27 pm
by Freezer
A twist tie should work

Re: And the Oscar for More Balls Than Brains category...

Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2026 10:57 pm
by Wambli Ska
Freezer wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2026 7:27 pm A twist tie should work
The wire wouldn't allow me snap the trigger guard back. Something soft like a rubber band will just get cut by the sharp edges and if a small piece of it stays inside who cares, it won't affect anything ini that spot.

Re: And the Oscar for More Balls Than Brains category...

Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2026 8:08 pm
by Justsomedude
Spring goes into frame first, making sure the spring leg is pushing against the trigger shelf. Make sure the trigger stays forward and then slide the front trigger guard retainer in first, then the rear of the guard. Your one picture doesn't show it onto the trigger properly.

Re: And the Oscar for More Balls Than Brains category...

Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2026 8:09 pm
by Justsomedude
Wambli Ska wrote: ↑Sat Feb 28, 2026 11:56 pm The spring goes in here.
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There is NO access form the top.
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ALL frame parts that have to do with the trigger have to be placed and pinned from the back.
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The top pic. You have the leg sitting above where it should perch on the trigger.

Re: And the Oscar for More Balls Than Brains category...

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2026 12:07 am
by Wambli Ska
Justsomedude wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2026 8:08 pm Spring goes into frame first, making sure the spring leg is pushing against the trigger shelf. Make sure the trigger stays forward and then slide the front trigger guard retainer in first, then the rear of the guard. Your one picture doesn't show it onto the trigger properly.
THANKS YOU!!!! I think you nailed it.

Re: And the Oscar for More Balls Than Brains category...

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2026 2:52 am
by Scott E. Mayer
When I was on the NRA Technical Staff, the Technical Editor, Pete Dickey, showed me how to use a pencil eraser or a piece of binder clip as a make-due trigger return spring on the old H&R top breaks. That man as a genius.

Re: And the Oscar for More Balls Than Brains category...

Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2026 4:03 am
by Wambli Ska
Scott E. Mayer wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2026 2:52 am When I was on the NRA Technical Staff, the Technical Editor, Pete Dickey, showed me how to use a pencil eraser or a piece of binder clip as a make-due trigger return spring on the old H&R top breaks. That man as a genius.
That’s freaking awesome!!!