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Posted: **Thu Apr 23, 2026 2:36 am**

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Posted: **Thu Apr 23, 2026 3:50 pm**

I've recently seen a few sources with Springfield 2020's on clearance for as low as $1300. Around that price point I'm way more interested.

Posted: **Thu Apr 23, 2026 4:37 pm**

It comes in a nice case

Posted: **Thu Apr 23, 2026 8:23 pm**

If Zee is patient, he may find one on the used market as well.
The brake doesn't look to be much, and a 308 lightweight rig with a brace will not be as enjoyable in the recoil department as some will expect.
Looking forward to seeing the street price.

I will not pick one up, as I am slowly moving some specialty pistols on to other folks.
I have more than enough.

Posted: **Thu Apr 23, 2026 10:29 pm**

Ernie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2026 8:23 pm If Zee is patient, he may find one on the used market as well.
The brake doesn't look to be much, and a 308 lightweight rig with a brace will not be as enjoyable in the recoil department as some will expect.
Looking forward to seeing the street price.

I will not pick one up, as I am slowly moving some specialty pistols on to other folks.
I have more than enough.

Who uses brakes these days? Poor people?

Brakes are for suckers. Cans is where it be.

Posted: **Thu Apr 23, 2026 10:39 pm**

CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2026 10:29 pm
Ernie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2026 8:23 pm If Zee is patient, he may find one on the used market as well.
The brake doesn't look to be much, and a 308 lightweight rig with a brace will not be as enjoyable in the recoil department as some will expect.
Looking forward to seeing the street price.

I will not pick one up, as I am slowly moving some specialty pistols on to other folks.
I have more than enough.
Who uses brakes these days? Poor people?

Brakes are for suckers. Cans is where it be.

I am not disagreeing completely with that...

Put a can on that SA pistol (Without a brace or being SBR'ed) with a rifle scope, shooting a 168M's...You might want to give yourself some extra room, because it is going to come at you about twice as much as a brake

Posted: **Thu Apr 23, 2026 10:50 pm**

CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2026 10:29 pm
Ernie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2026 8:23 pm If Zee is patient, he may find one on the used market as well.
The brake doesn't look to be much, and a 308 lightweight rig with a brace will not be as enjoyable in the recoil department as some will expect.
Looking forward to seeing the street price.

I will not pick one up, as I am slowly moving some specialty pistols on to other folks.
I have more than enough.
Who uses brakes these days? Poor people?

Brakes are for suckers. Cans is where it be.

Coming from a guy that doesnt own a can. Can not a brake and suppressor be used together?

Posted: **Thu Apr 23, 2026 11:00 pm**

Diver43 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2026 10:50 pm
CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2026 10:29 pm
Ernie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2026 8:23 pm If Zee is patient, he may find one on the used market as well.
The brake doesn't look to be much, and a 308 lightweight rig with a brace will not be as enjoyable in the recoil department as some will expect.
Looking forward to seeing the street price.

I will not pick one up, as I am slowly moving some specialty pistols on to other folks.
I have more than enough.
Who uses brakes these days? Poor people?

Brakes are for suckers. Cans is where it be.
Coming from a guy that doesnt own a can. Can not a brake and suppressor be used together?

If your brake is actually a suppressor attachment point. Aka:Surefire Brake and Surefire Suppressor. Same same for Silencer Co and other companies.

Posted: **Thu Apr 23, 2026 11:04 pm**

CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2026 10:29 pm
Ernie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2026 8:23 pm If Zee is patient, he may find one on the used market as well.
The brake doesn't look to be much, and a 308 lightweight rig with a brace will not be as enjoyable in the recoil department as some will expect.
Looking forward to seeing the street price.

I will not pick one up, as I am slowly moving some specialty pistols on to other folks.
I have more than enough.
Who uses brakes these days? Poor people?

Brakes are for suckers. Cans is where it be.

Coming from a guy that doesnt own a can. Can not a brake and suppressor be used together?

Posted: **Thu Apr 23, 2026 11:11 pm**

See above.

Posted: **Thu Apr 23, 2026 11:16 pm**

They can be used together but NOT at the same time as n the capabilities will not “combine” for lack of a better word. The brake gets completely covered by the can when it’s attached basically rendering it’s capabilities moot, no recoil reduction.

So you use the brake to tame recoil or it becomes just a mount for the can.

Posted: **Thu Apr 23, 2026 11:34 pm**

I have one suppressor that has a brake (The suppressor does cover it up), and I am not noticing an advantage.
There is now more offerings, where there is a brake that can be screwed on the front of the can-Those add an advantage of more recoil reduction, but it also will increase noise to the shooter.
I don't have one of those yet.
If a suppressor can get closer to a good brake recoil reduction with less noise and less concussion, I am interested.

Posted: **Thu Apr 23, 2026 11:46 pm**

Elk Creek wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2026 8:05 pm Walther uses a ball bearing QD setup to do a barrel change option of a rimfire straight pull rifle….

My brother bought one of those in .22Mag. It’s fun to shoot, and the barrel change is slick as hell.

Posted: **Fri Apr 24, 2026 12:53 am**

bullsi1911 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2026 11:46 pm
Elk Creek wrote: ↑Wed Apr 22, 2026 8:05 pm Walther uses a ball bearing QD setup to do a barrel change option of a rimfire straight pull rifle….
My brother bought one of those in .22Mag. It’s fun to shoot, and the barrel change is slick as hell.

I’ve been really tempted!!

Posted: **Fri Apr 24, 2026 1:33 am**

Ernie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2026 10:39 pm
CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2026 10:29 pm
Ernie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2026 8:23 pm If Zee is patient, he may find one on the used market as well.
The brake doesn't look to be much, and a 308 lightweight rig with a brace will not be as enjoyable in the recoil department as some will expect.
Looking forward to seeing the street price.

I will not pick one up, as I am slowly moving some specialty pistols on to other folks.
I have more than enough.
Who uses brakes these days? Poor people?

Brakes are for suckers. Cans is where it be.
I am not disagreeing completely with that...

Put a can on that SA pistol (Without a brace or being SBR'ed) with a rifle scope, shooting a 168M's...You might want to give yourself some extra room, because it is going to come at you about twice as much as a brake

If a pistol uses a rifle scope, it needs a stock.

Posted: **Fri Apr 24, 2026 2:28 am**

CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2026 1:33 am
Ernie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2026 10:39 pm
CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2026 10:29 pm
Who uses brakes these days? Poor people?

Brakes are for suckers. Cans is where it be.
I am not disagreeing completely with that...

Put a can on that SA pistol (Without a brace or being SBR'ed) with a rifle scope, shooting a 168M's...You might want to give yourself some extra room, because it is going to come at you about twice as much as a brake
If a pistol uses a rifle scope, it needs a stock.

It does have a stock, just not a buttstock...

Posted: **Fri Apr 24, 2026 3:30 am**

CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2026 1:33 am
Ernie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2026 10:39 pm
CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2026 10:29 pm
Who uses brakes these days? Poor people?

Brakes are for suckers. Cans is where it be.
I am not disagreeing completely with that...

Put a can on that SA pistol (Without a brace or being SBR'ed) with a rifle scope, shooting a 168M's...You might want to give yourself some extra room, because it is going to come at you about twice as much as a brake
If a pistol uses a rifle scope, it needs a stock.

The longest SP barrel I have is 17”. And it’s on a rear grip falling block MOA Maximum. It’s stupid long. But, not stupid cumbersome
Ernie has some rear grip BA SPs that I’d personally draw the line on as being name sake only and stupid. But, he likes and uses them.
That’s where I draw the line and tease him to where I can just fold my stocks and call them pistols. I personally think there is a point where making a point becomes counter productive and ridiculous.
Everyone has to draw their own line in the sand. I’m vocal about mine. On occasion. Ha!!

Posted: **Fri Apr 24, 2026 3:31 am**

A can is a better brake than ANY dedicated brake.

What is the job of a brake? To redirect the gasses to prevent the rocket effect of supersonic gasses coming out of the muzzle and pushing the barrel straight back.

What is the job of a can? To contain, cool and slow those gasses so they leave the can over a longer period of time at a subsonic velocity

Posted: **Fri Apr 24, 2026 3:36 am**

GrapeApe wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2026 3:31 am A can is a better brake than ANY dedicated brake.

What is the job of a brake? To redirect the gasses to prevent the rocket effect of supersonic gasses coming out of the muzzle and pushing the barrel straight back.

What is the job of a can? To contain, cool and slow those gasses so they leave the can over a longer period of time at a subsonic velocity

I completely disagree with you. And will gladly stand next to you and compare.

A brake will provide better recoil and muzzle rise control than a can, without external brake, ever will.

A can will obviously beat a brake in noise reduction.

They each have their place.

I can shoot a rifle with brake and with can and noticeably experience a reduced recoil/muzzle shift with a brake alone.

Posted: **Fri Apr 24, 2026 3:57 am**

Zee wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2026 3:36 am

I completely disagree with you. And will gladly stand next to you and compare.

A brake will provide better recoil and muzzle rise control than a can, without external brake, ever will.

A can will obviously beat a brake in noise reduction.

They each have their place.

I can shoot a rifle with brake and with can and noticeably experience a reduced recoil/muzzle shift with a brake alone.

Just did a quick search, and Silencer Shop claims that silencers reduce recoil by 20-40%
https://www.silencershop.com/blog/do-su ... uce-recoil

Q1: Do suppressors really reduce recoil?
A: Yes. Most shooters experience 20–40% less recoil, depending on the caliber and silencer design.

Q2: Does a suppressor reduce accuracy?
A: No. It usually improves consistency once the firearm is zeroed with the suppressor attached.

Q3: Do suppressors reduce muzzle rise?
A: Yes. By containing gas expansion, suppressors dramatically cut muzzle flip, especially noticeable in semi-autos.

Q4: Are suppressors better than muzzle brakes?
A: Suppressors reduce both sound and recoil. Muzzle brakes only handle recoil and are much louder.

Q5: How does a suppressor reduce recoil physically?
A: The baffle stack traps and cools combustion gases, spreading energy over a longer duration to minimize backward thrust.

Posted: **Fri Apr 24, 2026 4:04 am**

And? You prove my point. Thank you.

Posted: **Fri Apr 24, 2026 4:20 am**

On a side note, I just found out Savage has entered the suppressor market as well with their "Accucan" line
And your welcome

Posted: **Fri Apr 24, 2026 4:57 am**

So has Canik. But they don’t make them. Otter Creek makes them. So, good stuff.

Posted: **Fri Apr 24, 2026 5:01 am**

A good brake is so much more effective in reducing recoil than a can, it is not even worth comparing.

My XP's started in the 80's-90's at 14", 15" and 15.75"
Then I jumped to 18" for awhile.
Some of those were dedicated comp rigs. I still have some of those.
Then, I started coming back down to 17" and under.
All of my newer specialty pistols are from 13.5" to 15.9"

Kind of a full circle kind of thing.

Posted: **Fri Apr 24, 2026 5:04 am**

Zee wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2026 3:30 am
CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2026 1:33 am
Ernie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 23, 2026 10:39 pm

I am not disagreeing completely with that...

Put a can on that SA pistol (Without a brace or being SBR'ed) with a rifle scope, shooting a 168M's...You might want to give yourself some extra room, because it is going to come at you about twice as much as a brake
If a pistol uses a rifle scope, it needs a stock.
The longest SP barrel I have is 17”. And it’s on a rear grip falling block MOA Maximum. It’s stupid long. But, not stupid cumbersome
Ernie has some rear grip BA SPs that I’d personally draw the line on as being name sake only and stupid. But, he likes and uses them.
That’s where I draw the line and tease him to where I can just fold my stocks and call them pistols. I personally think there is a point where making a point becomes counter productive and ridiculous.
Everyone has to draw their own line in the sand. I’m vocal about mine. On occasion. Ha!!

You....VOCAL? Ha!

You...Vocal...On Occasion???

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