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A quick Google of midway shows a box of 45-70 ranges from $40, to $105.


By that math, I’ve saved thousands rolling my own.

CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2024 4:12 pm

Elk Creek wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2024 4:06 pm

CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2024 2:35 pm

Used to, I could save money loading 9mm. Now primers cost half what a thousand rounds of loaded 9mm does.



But, you don’t get paid for hobby’s. (Mostly) That’s why it’s a hobby. More importantly it’s time away from the wife. I’d PAY for that poop!

Sure 9mm you can buy fairly cheaply. The trick is to find 32-20, 44 special, 45 colt, 38-55, 348wcf, 357 or most others at any price that isn’t obscene. That’s why I reload, not for cheap but for ammo. Most of the time I can load a lot cheaper than retail, ammo at cost.

You could have saved time by saying
“Anything NOT 9mm.”







Because anything not 9mm, is stupid priced.

Even manufacturers are noticing that. Taylor and Co are making 9mm single action revolvers and just started making a 9mm 1973 carbine stateside….. ya think they are feeling the ammo crunch? 9mm seems to be the wave of the future…. Better have one, or ten.

CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2024 2:35 pm

bullsi1911 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2024 1:39 pm

CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2024 11:41 pm “ReLoADiNg iS dUmB.”

I said “reloading will save you no money, especially if you count the time you put into it”.

But you do you

Used to, I could save money loading 9mm. Now primers cost half what a thousand rounds of loaded 9mm does.



But, you don’t get paid for hobby’s. (Mostly) That’s why it’s a hobby. More importantly it’s time away from the wife. I’d PAY for that poop!

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bullsi1911 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2024 1:39 pm

CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 01, 2024 11:41 pm “ReLoADiNg iS dUmB.”

I said “reloading will save you no money, especially if you count the time you put into it”.

But you do you

It's funny how this thread evolved from a revelation of an "inexpensive" Yugo surplus pistol into a discussion on the merits of handloading. I feel that handloading is a pursuit unto itself. Crap, shooting won't save you any money, especially if you count the time you put into it. It's a sense of accomplishment that only you can appreciate.
I remember when that certain person became President and all of this scarcity of components began. The thousands of rounds of brass that sat on the ground to be thrown away. I would caution these folks to look into handloading as a way to have a somewhat reliable source of ammunition in the future. That was over 16 years ago, and it hasn't gotten any better. Now the costs have gone sky-high.
Handloading keeps the liberty and the revolution alive.

Even at current components costs, without reloading my 45-60 1876 Centennial would be a nice, and rather big, paperweight. I would also have no affordable ammo to shoot out of my 32-20 Marlin ‘94, 25-20 Savage and zero 38-55 ammo for my High Wall. The prices for some of that ammo can reach $4 a round when/if it shows up for sale anywhere and NO ONE makes 45-60 at all so if I don’t make it myself I can’t shoot that gun at all.

What initially got me serious into reloading was the ability to make things that didn't exist. all the availability and cost savings in the world don't matter if you are wanting to try shooting a subsonic 7.62x54R... or a 454 Casull trailboss load using plated .45ACP bullets... or snakeshot loads that wont lock up a .45ACP revolver...

Then I noticed I enjoyed building loads. So then it evolved into building a hunting AND a plinking load that had the same 75 yard POI. Then I got the CVA .243 Pistol that I have never fired a factory round through. Its just been my handloads.

Still am adamant that you save NO money reloading. Hell, those supplies for the .32 in that picture? $144, and I haven't fired a shot. BUT... I will turn them into ammo at some point.

Anyone remember the old adage "Reloaders don't save money, they just shoot more"?

Component costs probably put an end to that.

Yeah, at today’s costs I’m paying about $1.50 plus my time per trigger pull on the 45-60. But the smile it puts in my face is priceless

Back in the early 90s when I started reloading, Teach was one of my mentors, I could pay $8.59 for 50 rounds of 157 gr LSWC cartridges. I could reload for $2.39. I shot a lot more! A brick of .22 wild cats danced cans for $15 a brick. I love my 22s.

And now you're paying .10 per primer strike just to get started.

Primers were $10/1000

Elk Creek wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2024 5:12 pm

CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2024 4:12 pm

Elk Creek wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2024 4:06 pm

Sure 9mm you can buy fairly cheaply. The trick is to find 32-20, 44 special, 45 colt, 38-55, 348wcf, 357 or most others at any price that isn’t obscene. That’s why I reload, not for cheap but for ammo. Most of the time I can load a lot cheaper than retail, ammo at cost.

You could have saved time by saying
“Anything NOT 9mm.”







Because anything not 9mm, is stupid priced.

Even manufacturers are noticing that. Taylor and Co are making 9mm single action revolvers and just started making a 9mm 1973 carbine stateside….. ya think they are feeling the ammo crunch? 9mm seems to be the wave of the future…. Better have one, or ten.

Guess I'm kinda getting my wish here. Been saying for years we have a lot of overlap in ammo capability, and the choices for new stuff could be pared down considerably. 9mm doesn't solve ALL the handgun problems, but it can solve most of them. We're certainly starting to see the economy of scale kick in with the production shifting away from other stuff. As long as we have Starline to keep the historical pieces running, we can likely run quite happily on 9x19 for the new stuff.

Unified Rifle Cartridge Theory, however, is gonna be a tougher nut to crack.

Bigslug wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2024 2:11 am

Elk Creek wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2024 5:12 pm

CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2024 4:12 pm
You could have saved time by saying
“Anything NOT 9mm.”







Because anything not 9mm, is stupid priced.

Even manufacturers are noticing that. Taylor and Co are making 9mm single action revolvers and just started making a 9mm 1973 carbine stateside….. ya think they are feeling the ammo crunch? 9mm seems to be the wave of the future…. Better have one, or ten.

Guess I'm kinda getting my wish here. Been saying for years we have a lot of overlap in ammo capability, and the choices for new stuff could be pared down considerably. 9mm doesn't solve ALL the handgun problems, but it can solve most of them. We're certainly starting to see the economy of scale kick in with the production shifting away from other stuff. As long as we have Starline to keep the historical pieces running, we can likely run quite happily on 9x19 for the new stuff.

Unified Rifle Cartridge Theory, however, is gonna be a tougher nut to crack.

If we are getting 9mm for a unified pistol round, we will probably end up with the 6.5 CM…..

If after 100 years the 9mm becomes the unified pistol round, then we already have the Unified Rifle cartridge. It's been around for ~100 years. The epitome of versatility. It's been a top 5 seller for practically all of that time. The .270 Winchester