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Ernie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2026 5:04 am

Zee wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2026 3:30 am

CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2026 1:33 am
If a pistol uses a rifle scope, it needs a stock.

The longest SP barrel I have is 17”. And it’s on a rear grip falling block MOA Maximum. It’s stupid long. But, not stupid cumbersome
Ernie has some rear grip BA SPs that I’d personally draw the line on as being name sake only and stupid. But, he likes and uses them.
That’s where I draw the line and tease him to where I can just fold my stocks and call them pistols. I personally think there is a point where making a point becomes counter productive and ridiculous.
Everyone has to draw their own line in the sand. I’m vocal about mine. On occasion. Ha!!

You....VOCAL? Ha!
You...Vocal...On Occasion???

jkp wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2026 5:09 pm One of the milder 6mm offerings would be more interesting to me. But I understand why they went with .308 since they already have the rifle variant in.308.

jkp wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2026 5:09 pm One of the milder 6mm offerings would be more interesting to me. But I understand why they went with .308 since they already have the rifle variant in.308.

shotgunshooter3 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2026 8:22 pm You know what round would be really appealing in this gun? Wanna... take a guess????

Bigslug wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2026 8:31 pm Seems to me the path of exploration for this sort of thing would be in the PPC and BR general family of cases, probably with the quicker-burning rifle powders like 4227 to get the speeds up as much as possible in the shorter tubes.

The Creedmoors might be advantageous because everybody's too cheap and/or lazy to make an action other than .308 length (which I regard as too short for the .308, thanks to the U.S. military's shortsighted attachment to 150 grain bullets), but the CM's sort of address the VLD-length-bullet-in-.308-action problem.

7mm CM maybe?

Zee wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2026 8:17 pm

jkp wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2026 5:09 pm One of the milder 6mm offerings would be more interesting to me. But I understand why they went with .308 since they already have the rifle variant in.308.

I would be more interested in something maybe not .308 as well. Which is why I was interested in this in the first place. So I could turn my existing .308 BA SP into maybe a .25 CM.

jkp wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2026 10:39 pm I was thinking 6mm CM. But that's because I already load it.

Ernie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2026 3:51 am

Bigslug wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2026 8:31 pm Seems to me the path of exploration for this sort of thing would be in the PPC and BR general family of cases, probably with the quicker-burning rifle powders like 4227 to get the speeds up as much as possible in the shorter tubes.

The Creedmoors might be advantageous because everybody's too cheap and/or lazy to make an action other than .308 length (which I regard as too short for the .308, thanks to the U.S. military's shortsighted attachment to 150 grain bullets), but the CM's sort of address the VLD-length-bullet-in-.308-action problem.

7mm CM maybe?

Varget even in short barrels works great in the 6mm BR, 6 BRA, 6 Dasher, and the 6GT.
Of course, other powders work.
When I asked Tom Jacobs what he thought was the best powder for the 6GT, his response was, "Varget, Varget, Varget."
Varget was already my go to powder for my 14" 6 BR, as well as my center-grip 6 Dasher.

Personally, I don't feel handicapped with a 308 Win 168 grain bullet in a short action 700 platform.
If I am shooting F-TR, it's a single shot and throated for 180's to the 200 weight VLD's.
What powder do I use for my 200 grain Berger in my 308 Rifle? VARGET.
Powder I use in my 15.75" 308 Win? Varget and H-4895

I don't buy into faster powders for short barrels. I use the same powders the rifle boys use.

CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2026 2:03 pm

Ernie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2026 3:51 am

Bigslug wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2026 8:31 pm Seems to me the path of exploration for this sort of thing would be in the PPC and BR general family of cases, probably with the quicker-burning rifle powders like 4227 to get the speeds up as much as possible in the shorter tubes.

The Creedmoors might be advantageous because everybody's too cheap and/or lazy to make an action other than .308 length (which I regard as too short for the .308, thanks to the U.S. military's shortsighted attachment to 150 grain bullets), but the CM's sort of address the VLD-length-bullet-in-.308-action problem.

7mm CM maybe?

Varget even in short barrels works great in the 6mm BR, 6 BRA, 6 Dasher, and the 6GT.
Of course, other powders work.
When I asked Tom Jacobs what he thought was the best powder for the 6GT, his response was, "Varget, Varget, Varget."
Varget was already my go to powder for my 14" 6 BR, as well as my center-grip 6 Dasher.

Personally, I don't feel handicapped with a 308 Win 168 grain bullet in a short action 700 platform.
If I am shooting F-TR, it's a single shot and throated for 180's to the 200 weight VLD's.
What powder do I use for my 200 grain Berger in my 308 Rifle? VARGET.
Powder I use in my 15.75" 308 Win? Varget and H-4895

I don't buy into faster powders for short barrels. I use the same powders the rifle boys use.

I bet Z schooled you on the Varget. It’s his FAVORITE powder.

Zee wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2026 3:57 pm It’s a conspiracy. Varget hates me.

CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2026 2:03 pm

Ernie wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2026 3:51 am

Bigslug wrote: ↑Fri Apr 24, 2026 8:31 pm Seems to me the path of exploration for this sort of thing would be in the PPC and BR general family of cases, probably with the quicker-burning rifle powders like 4227 to get the speeds up as much as possible in the shorter tubes.

The Creedmoors might be advantageous because everybody's too cheap and/or lazy to make an action other than .308 length (which I regard as too short for the .308, thanks to the U.S. military's shortsighted attachment to 150 grain bullets), but the CM's sort of address the VLD-length-bullet-in-.308-action problem.

7mm CM maybe?

Varget even in short barrels works great in the 6mm BR, 6 BRA, 6 Dasher, and the 6GT.
Of course, other powders work.
When I asked Tom Jacobs what he thought was the best powder for the 6GT, his response was, "Varget, Varget, Varget."
Varget was already my go to powder for my 14" 6 BR, as well as my center-grip 6 Dasher.

Personally, I don't feel handicapped with a 308 Win 168 grain bullet in a short action 700 platform.
If I am shooting F-TR, it's a single shot and throated for 180's to the 200 weight VLD's.
What powder do I use for my 200 grain Berger in my 308 Rifle? VARGET.
Powder I use in my 15.75" 308 Win? Varget and H-4895

I don't buy into faster powders for short barrels. I use the same powders the rifle boys use.

I bet Z schooled you on the Varget. It’s his FAVORITE powder.

Zee wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2026 3:57 pm It’s a conspiracy. Varget hates me.

jkp wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2026 11:00 pm

Zee wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2026 3:57 pm It’s a conspiracy. Varget hates me.

You are not alone.

Elk Creek wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2026 11:18 pm

jkp wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2026 11:00 pm

Zee wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2026 3:57 pm It’s a conspiracy. Varget hates me.

You are not alone.

Funny varget is no bueno, but H4895 is…. Huh. Oh well keep burning it!