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Re: .22lr For Personal Defense - Science
Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2023 3:11 pm
by Zee
jkp wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:05 pm
Zee wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 1:51 pm
Admin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 1:34 pm
Just an FYI- Palmetto has the P-17 on sale for $199.99 right now.
It’s the handiest, most reliable (non-Ruger MK Series) .22lr pistol I’ve ever shot. And comes with great adjustable sights.
I want to sell my G44 now.
I do not need another .22LR handgun, I do not need another .22LR handgun, I do not need another .22LR handgun, I do not need another .22LR handgun...
You don’t need it. But……..you want it.

Re: .22lr For Personal Defense - Science
Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2023 3:13 pm
by Zee
It’s my official “Not Dead Yet” gun when night hunting. I use it to dispatch not dead yet pigs and varmints when I walk up on them.
Re: .22lr For Personal Defense - Science
Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2023 6:47 pm
by Zee
At that price…..it’s almost worth having two……
Re: .22lr For Personal Defense - Science
Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2023 1:45 am
by jkp
Zee wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2023 2:15 am
Sorry for the poor video quality. CPJ did as best he could to edit me out of the picture and the video suffered. Price of anonymity.
He did the best he could.

Could have worn a ski mask. They don't have those in TX?
Re: .22lr For Personal Defense - Science
Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2023 1:46 am
by Zee
Too hot.

Re: .22lr For Personal Defense - Science
Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2023 2:19 am
by Bigslug
jkp wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:05 pmI do not need another .22LR handgun, I do not need another .22LR handgun, I do not need another .22LR handgun, I do not need another .22LR handgun...
The correct number of .22LR firearms to have in inventory is either "ridiculous" or "obscene". If you aren't there yet, then you probably need one.
Re: .22lr For Personal Defense - Science
Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2023 2:31 am
by Chiro1989
Zee wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 1:46 amToo hot.

Hockey goalie masks have airholes in them

Re: .22lr For Personal Defense - Science
Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2023 2:34 am
by Zee
Chiro1989 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 2:31 am
Zee wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 1:46 amToo hot.

Hockey goalie masks have airholes in them
True.

Re: .22lr For Personal Defense - Science
Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2023 12:19 am
by Linefinder
I read some years back that many ER surgeons consider the 22LR wound is often the most difficult to "fix". Zee's observation that the bullet "zig-zagged" upon entry was their common comment. While a .45 ACP FMJ may blow a hole straight through you, that gave the Doc(s) a limited area to have to work on. The general opinion seemed to be that the light weight and low initial velocity of a 22LR (velocity being substantially reduced upon impact) allowed the human muscles to contract faster than the bullet was penetrating. This led to some very strange wound paths, and often required multiple surgeons working on multiple lethal zones at the same time. One surgeon commented that he had a patient with a "non life threatening injury" to his left shoulder, but after the bullet had "spiraled around inside his rib cage" for a bit things were much worse.
Mike
Re: .22lr For Personal Defense - Science
Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2023 12:42 am
by Wambli Ska
Well I guess you’ve proven several times over that those often mentioned though to penetrate “grizzle” plates on the hogs vitals are a total myth…
Re: .22lr For Personal Defense - Science
Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2023 2:01 am
by Zee
Wambli Ska wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 12:42 am
Well I guess you’ve proven several times over that those often mentioned though to penetrate “grizzle” plates on the hogs vitals are a total myth…
Granted this was a sow without a shield. But, on a big boar, any adequate cartridge will do so. My biggest boar was with one shot from a .233 Rem.
Re: .22lr For Personal Defense - Science
Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2023 2:04 am
by Wambli Ska
Zee wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 2:01 am
Wambli Ska wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 12:42 am
Well I guess you’ve proven several times over that those often mentioned though to penetrate “grizzle” plates on the hogs vitals are a total myth…
Granted this was a sow without a shield. But, on a big boar, any adequate cartridge will do so. My biggest boar was with one shot from a .233 Rem.
My cousin Capt Stan (posted here a few times years ago) has killed more pigs than most 10 humans I know and he rolled a good sized boar with his then new XD 45 loaded with 185gr HPs for the same reason, science, to prove that any decent SD round will anchor a hog if you put it in the right place. One shot..
Re: .22lr For Personal Defense - Science
Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2023 4:44 pm
by Big Al1
Love your forensics!!
Re: .22lr For Personal Defense - Science
Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2023 4:56 pm
by Zee
Re: .22lr For Personal Defense - Science
Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2023 11:15 am
by Freezer
jkp wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:05 pm
Zee wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 1:51 pm
Admin wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 1:34 pm
Just an FYI- Palmetto has the P-17 on sale for $199.99 right now.
It’s the handiest, most reliable (non-Ruger MK Series) .22lr pistol I’ve ever shot. And comes with great adjustable sights.
I want to sell my G44 now.
I do not need another .22LR handgun, I do not need another .22LR handgun, I do not need another .22LR handgun, I do not need another .22LR handgun...
Keep saying it you'll get there, I do not need another .22 handgun...I do need another .22 handgun...I do need another .22 handgun
you'll thank us later.
Re: .22lr For Personal Defense - Science
Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2023 12:22 pm
by Wambli Ska
Here’s that work “need” again. Someone get the weed killer before our lawn is infested with it. Bullsi, can we get it added to the auto-censor?
Re: .22lr For Personal Defense - Science
Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2023 3:29 pm
by bullsi1911
Lol
By the way, that P17 is $199 with free shipping at PSA again.
Re: .22lr For Personal Defense - Science
Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2023 3:59 pm
by Zee

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Re: .22lr For Personal Defense - Science
Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2023 5:24 pm
by CPJ 2.0
Re: .22lr For Personal Defense - Science
Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2023 5:27 pm
by CPJ 2.0
Skip to the 5 minute mark to skip to the shooting
Re: .22lr For Personal Defense - Science
Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2023 11:23 pm
by Kansashunter
Not to derail this thread but this has me thinking about the 380. My wife carries one and on occasion I do also. Would the 380 be more powerful than a 22. I would think so but maybe it wouldn't penetrate as well. I am interested in your thoughts.
Re: .22lr For Personal Defense - Science
Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:38 am
by Zee
I have no experience with a .380 except firing a couple at targets. Probably something we need to pig test. But, I’d have to find someone that owns one.
Re: .22lr For Personal Defense - Science
Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2023 1:51 pm
by Kansashunter
I would be willing but I can't enter texas because the ntta tells me I have a warrant.
Re: .22lr For Personal Defense - Science
Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2023 3:25 pm
by Zee
Hahaha!
Re: .22lr For Personal Defense - Science
Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2023 5:57 pm
by Diver43
Zee wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:38 am
I have no experience with a .380 except firing a couple at targets. Probably something we need to pig test. But, I’d have to find someone that owns one.
My wife has a Shield EZ in .380
It's only July now, but.......