Best all around cartridge

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Bigslug
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Re: Best all around cartridge

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Just for sake of argument. . .

Does anybody have load data for the 7x57 that flat out IGNORES the SAAMI limits based around the small-ring 1893 action and proceeds solely on the assumption of a post-1898 launch platform?
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Re: Best all around cartridge

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Check ADI and some of the European data.
Also some of the "pre-Hodgdon" Western Powder data is loaded a lot closer to "full potential" than the SAAMI stuff
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Re: Best all around cartridge

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Or, you can do like I do. Look at the max velocity you can find with power X and bullet Y in a 7-08. Start with the max 7-08 load in the larger 7x57 and up it until you AT LEAST match or slightly best the 7-08.

I'm sure you're aware the ADI makes Hodgdon's powder. and can find that "this" ADI is "that" Hodgdon powder.
Varget, 4895 and 4350 are the 3 I'd look into the hardest
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Re: Best all around cartridge

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I would suggest looking at Nosler data. I am fairly confident their 6.5x55 data is well above the limits established in 1893 for the cartridge. I would assume European load data is also based on modern CIP values since the Europeans seem to be a bit smarter than Americans when it comes to choosing the correct loadings for the rifle they are using. They seem to be able to understand that they shouldnt throw a full house modern pressure round in an 1800's surplus that hasnt been checked out. In general we have to be protected from our own stupidity and lots of lawyers here so the companies water things down a lot to try and keep the morons from getting hurt.

Found this list from an older thread on nzhuntingandshooting.co (copied the complete post from their forum member duckdog, https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.nz/ ... 1sc-39432/)

Thankyou for your recent enquiry with regard to reloading using ADI Sporting powders.

Some ADI propellants are sold in the US by the Hodgdon Powder Company, including AR2208 which is sold as Varget. It is the same powder.

Attached is a listed of other powders sold in the US under the Hodgdon brand.

Extreme caution should be taken and loads should be worked up accordingly. Refer to our website at ADI Powders Handloaders' Guide or our hand-loaders’ guide for more information, warnings and reloading safety.

We thank you for using ADI Sporting Powders.
Yours Sincerely

ADI Technical Centre

ADI / Hodgdon Propellants
ADI Powder/Hodgdon naming
AS30N.................Clays
Trail Boss.............Trial Boss
AS50N.................International
AP70N.................Universal
AR2205...............H4227
AR2207...............H4198
AR2219...............H322
BM2....................Benchmark
AR2206H.............H4895
AR2208...............Varget
AR2209...............H4350
AR2213SC...........H4831 / H4831SC
AR2217...............H1000
AR2225...............Retumbo
AR2218...............H50BMG
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