Remington 870 Police Magnum

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Remington 870 Police Magnum

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Continuing with my latest kick of buying beat to crap guns….

A buddy of mine sent me a link to a site selling police trade-in 870s in a ‘grab-bag’ style sale:
https://madisonguns.com/used-police-tra ... -shotguns/

Basically, you pay them $250, and they grab a random shotgun from the pile and send it to you. It could be rusted to hell, could have a rail, light, sidesaddle, or… just be a bare 870. It’s kinda like gambling but you get a gun!

So, after some enabling from CPJ, I dug into the dad cash and spun the wheel. What I got was pretty good!

A 1997-2001 vintage 870 Police Magnum smooth bore with a cheap sling and rifle sights!
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Took it to the range (same place I did my transfer), and ran a pile of slugs through the gun, and found that it was hitting about a foot high… because the front sight was broken off:
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So, I ordered the TruGlo replacement bead and rear sight and upgraded the sights this morning:
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So- I’ll get to the range in the next few days and get it sighted in
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Damn... I need another 12 gauge like I need a hole in the head...

Nice score!
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Very nice! That’s a great work horse!
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Sir, how dare you perform work on your own gun and not contribute to mine or someone else's 401k?

But seriously though, I miss the like button. Nice grab.
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Chambered 3"?
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Gamble paid off. Well done
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I built this 870 myself...
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Great minds….. an old 3” wingmaster pressed into service by my local PD….
It has a side saddle on the off side. The bead was broken off years ago and I’ve never gotten around to replacing it.
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Justsomedude wrote: Thu May 30, 2024 10:22 pm Sir, how dare you perform work on your own gun and not contribute to mine or someone else's 401k?

But seriously though, I miss the like button. Nice grab.
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jwv2023 wrote: Thu May 30, 2024 10:24 pm Chambered 3"?
Yep. Need to find some 3” shells and see how bad they kick
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Thanks everyone. I really shouldn’t Of have spent this money, but…. I didn’t have one of these.

You should check out some of the other grab-bag options they have on that site. It looks like they get all the evidence guns and sell them off. It’s tempting to see if the odds would pay off and get a ‘not-a-hipoint-or-Taurus”
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Ya done good!

Buying a "POLICE"-marked 870 is about the only easy way to be assured of getting a REAL 870, short of wading through serial number date charts to get an old one. The date codes on the barrel MIGHT help you, but since it's a switch-barrel shotgun. . .(shrug)?

Where Remington really pissed in my Cheerios with their production decisions. . .the last couple times I've renewed my armorer's certificate (classes put on by the LE division, or more recently, folks they contract with), they break the class into groups and give us deliberately doctored "problem" guns to diagnose and write down the list of defects on. While they do cover the gamut of things that can break or get out of whack on an 870, pretty much every one of them was doctored to contain at least one commercial market / Express - grade part, that either due to materials, spec, or functional incompatibility, makes the gun fail LE inspection and/or function check.

The message I receive is that Big Green Corporate decided "THIS is how we build it for a cop to bet their life on. . .and THIS is how we build it for the unwashed masses who don't know any better because we want to save 20 bucks building it, and will buy it because their dad or grand dad had one of our older good ones."

It still remains to be seen how things will shake out with the new owners, but if you want to be sure of a metal trigger guard, a milled extractor, beefy mag and lifter springs, and ability to install a magazine extension, you'd better buy the cop model. I have no idea if they even still make hunting length barrels with the spring detent in the retaining ring that interface with the dimples in the mag tube cap to hold it in place, or if we're stuck with the "plastic ratchet" Express system across the sporting barrel spectrum.

The above didn't push me totally to the point of "Knowledgeable Remington shooters choose Mossberg", but it's absolutely how I steer people now. While I do think the Mossy mechanism is superior, what swings it for me is that you can still take any 500/590 receiver and build it into any 500/590 configuration using either their cheaper or higher-end mil-spec levels of parts; they aren't making two totally different, largely incompatible shotguns and calling them both "870".

A ranty way for me to say you spent your $250 well, but as you can see, that comment takes some qualifying. ;)
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Thanks, Bigslug. I had heard there were differences between the cop 870s, but mostly around the metal trigger guard. Not really well versed in the whole Remington world…. I’ve been a Mossberg guy on shotguns, because the safety just makes more sense than the “BB gun” style safety on the Remington.

I know… my first running rifle was the Rem 760 that has the same controls as the 870. It doesn’t have to make sense, it just is.
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Damn good score for sure! I like your new front sight, not so much your rear one. I have been busy with a black sharpie blackening all the dots and other distractions on my rear sights over the last few years and damn if it hasn't helped me shoot better and faster.

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My 870 above was built from my old bird gun which I've had for decades. I started by changing to a Remington 18 1/2" barrel with sights from Brownells and adding a magazine extension. And I got myself a new bird gun...
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We used those as Police guns in my particular force but they had an 18" barrel and wooden stocks. I must say that we looked after ours a bit better. On training days we would sometimes come in and find the gun in bits and inside a cloth bag. We then had to re-assemble it while it was still in the bag - no peeking! I used to like those 870's. Used with all sorts of rounds from buckshot, solid slug, special rounds for taking off door locks, special rounds for car tyres and 'Ferret' rounds with C.S. projectiles that could penetrate doors and windows.
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I guess now would be a good time to advise you. . . The factory magazine extensions are a good, functional unit, but you can easily screw up assembly and cause problems.

They are a two-piece assembly - the extension itself and the locking collar it screws into. The collar takes the place of the barrel retaining nut on a non-extended, 4-shot magazine. When you take the shotgun apart, you want to separate the two, then re-install the collar first to fully lock the barrel down onto the action. Only THEN do your screw the extension into the front end of the collar. Once there, bolt on the clamp that locks it to the barrel and all is right with the world.

If you DON'T do it that way, the extension can get screwed too far down into the front of the collar and it will jam up against the front of the magazine when you try to assemble the gun. This will prevent the collar from threading all the way down against the barrel ring, and your barrel will not be fully seated and can bounce fore and aft. Result = excessive headspace, possible failure to fire, high chance of breaking the nose off the ejector.

The catch phrase is "Disassemble together, reassemble separately".
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Gila wrote: Sat Jun 01, 2024 12:40 am My 870 above was built from my old bird gun which I've had for decades. I started by changing to a Remington 18 1/2" barrel with sights from Brownells and adding a magazine extension. And I got myself a new bird gun...
I’m seriously considering finding a rifled barrel with cantilever scope mount for my mossberg, since this will probably replace it as the “social work” shotgun.

Then take the mossberg deer hunting with slugs 😃
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Wambli Ska wrote: Fri May 31, 2024 7:06 pm Damn good score for sure! I like your new front sight, not so much your rear one. I have been busy with a black sharpie blackening all the dots and other distractions on my rear sights over the last few years and damn if it hasn't helped me shoot better and faster.

YMMV.
My close vision has taken a turn for the worse over the last few years. I can see these and Line up the dots with or without glasses or contacts. I’ll play with them for a while and see if they work
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T'owd Mon wrote: Sat Jun 01, 2024 1:44 pm We used those as Police guns in my particular force but they had an 18" barrel and wooden stocks. I must say that we looked after ours a bit better. On training days we would sometimes come in and find the gun in bits and inside a cloth bag. We then had to re-assemble it while it was still in the bag - no peeking! I used to like those 870's. Used with all sorts of rounds from buckshot, solid slug, special rounds for taking off door locks, special rounds for car tyres and 'Ferret' rounds with C.S. projectiles that could penetrate doors and windows.
I was kinda hoping to get one with a wood stock set. A couple of them in the pictures looked pleasantly beat up.

But, I’m good with this one.
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Bigslug wrote: Sat Jun 01, 2024 2:08 pm I guess now would be a good time to advise you. . . The factory magazine extensions are a good, functional unit, but you can easily screw up assembly and cause problems.

They are a two-piece assembly - the extension itself and the locking collar it screws into. The collar takes the place of the barrel retaining nut on a non-extended, 4-shot magazine. When you take the shotgun apart, you want to separate the two, then re-install the collar first to fully lock the barrel down onto the action. Only THEN do your screw the extension into the front end of the collar. Once there, bolt on the clamp that locks it to the barrel and all is right with the world.

If you DON'T do it that way, the extension can get screwed too far down into the front of the collar and it will jam up against the front of the magazine when you try to assemble the gun. This will prevent the collar from threading all the way down against the barrel ring, and your barrel will not be fully seated and can bounce fore and aft. Result = excessive headspace, possible failure to fire, high chance of breaking the nose off the ejector.

The catch phrase is "Disassemble together, reassemble separately".
That is some good advice. I plan on taking it down and giving it a good cleaning over the weekend. Thanks for the heads up
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bullsi1911 wrote: Sat Jun 01, 2024 2:33 pm
Wambli Ska wrote: Fri May 31, 2024 7:06 pm Damn good score for sure! I like your new front sight, not so much your rear one. I have been busy with a black sharpie blackening all the dots and other distractions on my rear sights over the last few years and damn if it hasn't helped me shoot better and faster.

YMMV.
My close vision has taken a turn for the worse over the last few years. I can see these and Line up the dots with or without glasses or contacts. I’ll play with them for a while and see if they work
Gotcha! Hope it works well for you 👍🏻
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bullsi1911 wrote: Sat Jun 01, 2024 2:30 pm
Gila wrote: Sat Jun 01, 2024 12:40 am My 870 above was built from my old bird gun which I've had for decades. I started by changing to a Remington 18 1/2" barrel with sights from Brownells and adding a magazine extension. And I got myself a new bird gun...
I’m seriously considering finding a rifled barrel with cantilever scope mount for my mossberg, since this will probably replace it as the “social work” shotgun.

Then take the mossberg deer hunting with slugs 😃
My barrel is not rifled. It doesn't need to be for a tactical weapon. I can easily hit center mass at 25 yards with a slug, but I prefer using buckshot. Going after deer is a separate matter, and the rifling would be a big plus. BTW, for deer, I wouldn't use slugs, I'd use sabots.
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