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Just picked them up from my LGS. Every time I get one of my Italian replicas is a bittersweet moment because I LOVE the guns and the fit and finish is sooooooo nice! And then I get annoyed that somehow no American company can execute these All-American guns built in the USA and get this accomplished at a comparable price point…

Beautiful revolvers!! At least someone is making them!

Oh I’m absolutely very grateful for that! These things out to shame most of the other production stuff out there even the ones at a much higher price point.

Wambli Ska wrote: ↑Fri Oct 17, 2025 10:06 pm Oh I’m absolutely very grateful for that! These things out to shame most of the other production stuff out there even the ones at a much higher price point.

Yep. They are great guns.

That is a pretty pair. Congrats.

Really nice pair of shooters...still have a thing for single action revolvers in spite of the fact that all mine have gone on to new homes...

sakodude wrote: ↑Fri Oct 17, 2025 11:38 pm That is a pretty pair. Congrats.

Thanks!!!

Jayhawker wrote: ↑Fri Oct 17, 2025 11:41 pm Really nice pair of shooters...still have a thing for single action revolvers in spite of the fact that all mine have gone on to new homes...

Well I know of two that are well loved and will never leave my house since they came from a good friend. As a matter of fact your Schofield is getting a little 5” sister

Saw that...nicely done!

Very nice!

Jayhawker wrote: ↑Sat Oct 18, 2025 12:35 am Saw that...nicely done!

Should be a hoot! They’ll be the first brace I bring to the first SASS match I’ll shoot in years

LMLarsen wrote: ↑Sat Oct 18, 2025 12:51 amVery nice!

Thanks!

I have one of the Pietta built, cheap Cabela’s SAAs in .357Mag. It is a nice shooter, but obviously not as nicely finished as those.

I am also confused why a decent SAA can’t be made in the US at a decent price. The whole line of “extensive hand fitting” does not make sense with how accurate CNC machining is these days.

Nice scores!

Yep, I'm sure these are hand-fitted by world class German CNC machines.

bullsi1911 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 18, 2025 2:12 am I have one of the Pietta built, cheap Cabela’s SAAs in .357Mag. It is a nice shooter, but obviously not as nicely finished as those.

I am also confused why a decent SAA can’t be made in the US at a decent price. The whole line of “extensive hand fitting” does not make sense with how accurate CNC machining is these days.

Nice scores!

Even when made on a CNC almost every company that makes things in the US expects top dollar even if its bottom of the barrel garbage. Its not always that it cant be made here at a decent price point, its that companies dont want to. I see it with hand tools where companies will ship production overseas and then still charge made in USA price. Then if they decide to offer a line of made in USA tools due to customer outrage, they jack the price up to well above what it was before and usually produce an inferior product. I understand it costs money to tool up and produce something, but if its an established company with CNC tooling in place for firearm production it shouldnt cost that much to produce a SAA on that tooling.

I do like the look of color case hardening on steel.

Cost difference on machining a cowboy gun verses a Dirty Harry gun is negligible. Actually probably less on the cowboy gun.
They don’t want to, because they aren’t popular to the masses. Forget yourself, and the circles you run in. If a product is profitable, it will be made.

Every show or video I've seen about US firearms manufacturing is mostly men running the machines and a bunch of middle aged women in assembly. They do two things to it then put it in a basket where it goes to the next woman who does 2 or 3 things to it and so on.....

Part of DFM (design for manufacturing) is to make it as simple as possible to get from raw materials to finished product with the least amount of time, including all facets of the process. This means saving time in the machining etc to idiot proofing the inspection/assembly. The machining is the simple part. Beating the idiocy of temp agency workers….I’ve worked with them. That’s simply not possible. Even “company owned” employees are hard to get to follow a process. EG: Ruger employees.

Well at the end you of the day Lord only knows I have I don’t have a problem spending money for a premium product as long as I can justify it because of quality, uniqueness, or sometimes other less tangible but important to me qualities.

But I’ve handled enough real Colt SAA to know that I don’t feel 4x the price of a Uberti in them. And while I get the investment aspect of buying a true Colt (and some day I might just pull the trigger on a collectible one) for fun shooters that put a big grin on my face I can’t beat an Italian clone.

As far as a market, there is definitely one. Gunbroker has page after page of variations of Uberti, Pietta, Taylor, Cimmarron “cowboy” guns including the Single Actions, BP guns and Winchester rifle clones, again another company I don’t “get”.

If Colt and Winchester ever got their crap together, they’d shut all those guys down, but they can’t help their stupidity. Winchester with their lawyer features like tang safeties on their VERY NICE Japan made rifles, and Colt with their ridiculously priced SAAs just settle for a fraction of the market of the guns they freaking invented.

If Winchester ever came out with an $1,000 1873 and Colt with an $1,000 Peacemaker, both made in the USA, they would wipe out all the clone makers,

CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 19, 2025 12:59 am Part of DFM (design for manufacturing) is to make it as simple as possible to get from raw materials to finished product with the least amount of time, including all facets of the process. This means saving time in the machining etc to idiot proofing the inspection/assembly. The machining is the simple part. Beating the idiocy of temp agency workers….I’ve worked with them. That’s simply not possible. Even “company owned” employees are hard to get to follow a process. EG: Ruger employees.

I think our last two temps came from the retirement home.

Wambli Ska wrote: ↑Sun Oct 19, 2025 5:06 am As far as a market, there is definitely one. Gunbroker has page after page of variations of Uberti, Pietta, Taylor, Cimmarron “cowboy” guns including the Single Actions, BP guns and Winchester rifle clones, again another company I don’t “get”.

If Colt and Winchester ever got their crap together, they’d shut all those guys down, but they can’t help their stupidity. Winchester with their lawyer features like tang safeties on their VERY NICE Japan made rifles, and Colt with their ridiculously priced SAAs just settle for a fraction of the market of the guns they freaking invented.

If Winchester ever came out with an $1,000 1873 and Colt with an $1,000 Peacemaker, both made in the USA, they would wipe out all the clone makers,

Then the dirty little secret of the colt black powder pistols, Uberti supplied all the parts and colt finished them…..

Colt and Winchester could own that market, they just have myopic management that are business managers and not gun business management.

Wambli Ska wrote: ↑Sun Oct 19, 2025 5:06 am As far as a market, there is definitely one. Gunbroker has page after page of variations of Uberti, Pietta, Taylor, Cimmarron “cowboy” guns including the Single Actions, BP guns and Winchester rifle clones, again another company I don’t “get”.

If Colt and Winchester ever got their crap together, they’d shut all those guys down, but they can’t help their stupidity. Winchester with their lawyer features like tang safeties on their VERY NICE Japan made rifles, and Colt with their ridiculously priced SAAs just settle for a fraction of the market of the guns they freaking invented.

If Winchester ever came out with an $1,000 1873 and Colt with an $1,000 Peacemaker, both made in the USA, they would wipe out all the clone makers,

There’s a market, yes. There’s not a profitable market for US makers to bother with.
Or they’d be making them.

CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 19, 2025 4:27 pm

Wambli Ska wrote: ↑Sun Oct 19, 2025 5:06 am As far as a market, there is definitely one. Gunbroker has page after page of variations of Uberti, Pietta, Taylor, Cimmarron “cowboy” guns including the Single Actions, BP guns and Winchester rifle clones, again another company I don’t “get”.

If Colt and Winchester ever got their crap together, they’d shut all those guys down, but they can’t help their stupidity. Winchester with their lawyer features like tang safeties on their VERY NICE Japan made rifles, and Colt with their ridiculously priced SAAs just settle for a fraction of the market of the guns they freaking invented.

If Winchester ever came out with an $1,000 1873 and Colt with an $1,000 Peacemaker, both made in the USA, they would wipe out all the clone makers,

There’s a market, yes. There’s not a profitable market for US makers to bother with.
Or they’d be making them.

Profitability is in the hands of the company and therein lies my issue. Manufacturing in Italy is NOT cheap. So If they can figure out how to make it profitable there Colt and Winchester are just too stupid (or more probably too arrogant) to figure it out here.

I tried to get into the firearms industry a while back, Scott even hooked me up with some good contacts. None of them would give me the time of day because they are the most inbred industry ever. Oh well…. Again bittersweet.