Gun cleaning observation

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12th Man
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I posted this on the old forum not knowing this one had opened.

Usually once a year or so (more so, than once a year :) ), I get my rifles out I hunt with and give them a quick cleaning. For years I've only used Gunslick Bore Foam. It does an incredible job removing copper and carbon fouling out of the barrel. For what ever sick reason, my custom tikka 6.5 CM I decided to do a deep clean. I cleaned it good with the Gunslick foam a couple weeks back letting it sit in the bore for three or four hours. I purchased a bottle of KG-12 copper remover. KG-12 is the undisputed king for removing copper. BTW the KG-12 is water based and has no ammonia so you can leave it in all night if you want.

Last night before bed, I took a cotton bore mop, soaked it in the bottle of KG-12 and ran it through the bore a couple of times. This morning I pushed the first cotton patch through. It came out yellow, the color of KG-12. Zero blue and the faintest hint of carbon fouling on it. The next few patches the yellow got less and less. Zero blue, zero carbon fouling.

My conclusion, I wasted $12 bucks on the KG-12. Gunslick does a great job sitting in the bore for a few hours. I see no need for anything else. Now, I just need to run a few rounds down the bore before heading out to hunt
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There are a few products that don't get some of the respect they get. Even the lowly Hoppes does a reasonable job od cleaning out copper if allowed to stay wet on the bore long enough. I've tested this by leaving it in the barrel for 2-3 days and then trying to use a more aggressive copper cleaner to find out the bore was nice and clean.


Ehe issue is how long do you have to play with cleaning. When I sit down at the bench to do a pike of rides I need NOW as the timeframe per gun :lol:
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I just toss my Glock in the dishwasher once or twice a year with the rest of the Tupperware.
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shotgunshooter3 wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:14 pm I just toss my Glock in the dishwasher once or twice a year with the rest of the Tupperware.
Whoa brother
That can't be good for it...........the dishwasher.
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Bore slick seems to work good for me. On the “every few years whether it needs it or not” cleaning.
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shotgunshooter3 wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:14 pm I just toss my Glock in the dishwasher once or twice a year with the rest of the Tupperware.
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Wambli Ska wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 12:57 am
shotgunshooter3 wrote: Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:14 pm I just toss my Glock in the dishwasher once or twice a year with the rest of the Tupperware.
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No. . .Bigslug has actually seen this, and at such times, he gives himself five seconds of inner rage, and then says those two little words that make it all better:

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The actual result of the Dishwashered Glock is that the black top finish disappears off your slide, leaving the bare silver tennifer, and your firing pin safety ends up caked with Cascade. The lesson is this: be careful observing who's around when you joke about such things - they may not think you're joking.

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The actual result of the Dishwashered Glock is that the black top finish disappears off your slide, leaving the bare silver tennifer, and your firing pin safety ends up caked with Cascade. The lesson is this: be careful observing who's around when you joke about such things - they may not think you're joking.

I didn’t believe Wambli was joking. Dishwashing polymer guns may be the tip of the year. I might add a quality rinse agent should prevent any detergent buildup.
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Huh. My brother bought a used Glock 21 a LONG time ago that had the blackening removed from the tennifer slide. I wonder if thats what happened to it.

I’ll see if he can send me a pic today, and I’ll post it.
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Tenifer is a finish, not a slide material.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferriti ... arburizing





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Right. Just like parkerized is a finish. You dont say “my 1911 with a steel slide and parkerized finish…” You day ‘it’s parkerized’

Tenifer is not black. It’s a matte silver color, and Glock puts a black coloring on it… which comes off in the dishwasher, it seems.
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For those that don't want to read all of what CPJ posted, here's the relevant Glock details. Interesting that they stopped using Tenifer in 2010.

Glock Ges.m.b.H., an Austrian firearms manufacturer, utilized the Tenifer process until 2010, to protect the barrels and slides of the pistols they manufacture. The finish on a Glock pistol is the third and final hardening process. It is 0.05 mm (0.0020 in) thick and produces a 64 Rockwell C hardness rating via a 500 °C (932 °F) nitride bath.[32] The final matte, non-glare finish meets or exceeds stainless steel specifications, is 85% more corrosion resistant than a hard chrome finish, and is 99.9% salt-water corrosion resistant.[33] After the Tenifer process, a black Parkerized finish is applied and the slide is protected even if the finish were to wear off. In 2010 Glock switched to a gaseous ferritic nitrocarburizing process.[34] Besides Glock other pistol and other firearms manufacturers, including Smith & Wesson and HS Produkt, also use ferritic nitrocarburizing for finishing parts like barrels and slides but they call it Melonite finish. Heckler & Koch use a nitrocarburizing process they refer to as Hostile Environment. Pistol manufacturer Caracal International, headquartered in the United Arab Emirates, uses ferritic nitrocarburizing for finishing parts such as barrels and slides with the plasma-based post-oxidation process (PlasOx). Grand Power, a Slovakian firearms producer, also uses a quench polish quench (QPQ) treatment to harden metal parts on its K100 pistols.
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Also, everybody knows you remove the slide before cleaning in the dishwasher.
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bullsi1911 wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 2:05 pm Right. Just like parkerized is a finish. You dont say “my 1911 with a steel slide and parkerized finish…” You day ‘it’s parkerized’
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I would say that when referring to the material the slide is made from. (Even though it’s redundant and has tk be carbon steel because you can’t parkerize stainless) Not what the slide is finished with.
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bullsi1911 wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2023 1:12 pm Huh. My brother bought a used Glock 21 a LONG time ago that had the blackening removed from the tennifer slide. I wonder if thats what happened to it.

I’ll see if he can send me a pic today, and I’ll post it.
If the blacking finish came off in the dishwasher it must not have been applied correctly in the beginning.
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