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Posted: **Fri Aug 18, 2023 4:33 am**

The 642 might be her thing then. I have not used any +P in mine and I am sure if I practiced it more I might get better. If you could rent one that would be great. It is funny, my wife doesn't like anything above a 380 and really dislikes revolvers. You have to keep them happy.

Posted: **Fri Aug 18, 2023 11:46 am**

Gila wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 4:25 am
CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 11:06 pm
Gila wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 10:43 pm

How much is your wife's or your life worth? My S&W has never failed, it is extremely concealable (I carry mine in my boot), accurate at defensive distances and has very good stopping power. My wife carried basically the same revolver, but with an aluminum frame and in .38 Plus P. At the range we learned that she had no more difficultly shooting the Plus P than the standard .38. Her revolver is no longer made, but is the same as the Lightweight 642, except for the caliber, which is now .38 Special.
Define: stopping power.
A 125 grain Golden Saber .357 magnum.

So that’s what you carry. Define stopping power

Posted: **Sat Aug 19, 2023 1:33 am**

CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 11:46 am
Gila wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 4:25 am
CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 17, 2023 11:06 pm

Define: stopping power.
A 125 grain Golden Saber .357 magnum.
So that’s what you carry. Define stopping power

No...

Posted: **Sat Aug 19, 2023 1:51 am**

Gila wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 1:33 am
CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 11:46 am
Gila wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 4:25 am

A 125 grain Golden Saber .357 magnum.
So that’s what you carry. Define stopping power
No...

So don’t terms with no definition. We are smarter than that.

Posted: **Sat Aug 19, 2023 1:51 am**

CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 1:51 am
Gila wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 1:33 am
CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 18, 2023 11:46 am

So that’s what you carry. Define stopping power
No...
So don’t use terms with no definition. We are smarter than that.

Posted: **Sat Aug 19, 2023 2:56 am**

Stopping power: 1. when you don't pay your electrical bill and the man from Edison puts a lock on your meter; 2. when Gavin Newsom's mandatory Teslas added to AC for 30 million people blow out the grid. . .

Posted: **Sat Aug 19, 2023 3:54 am**

Posted: **Sat Aug 19, 2023 3:56 am**

CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 1:51 am
CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 1:51 am
Gila wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 1:33 am
No...
So don’t use terms with no definition. We are smarter than that.

Interesting to know, not that it matters...

Posted: **Sat Aug 19, 2023 4:17 am**

Gila wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 3:56 am
CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 1:51 am
CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 19, 2023 1:51 am

So don’t use terms with no definition. We are smarter than that.

Interesting to know, not that it matters...

#okboomer

Posted: **Sun Aug 20, 2023 12:28 am**

I'd like to cast another vote for the 32 H&R Mag in either the 431PD or 432PD or something similar.

These aren't barn burner rounds but would certainly get your attention fast. And at 13.5 oz, they're not heavy either and recoil is reported as mild. Besides, it'll satisfy that need for an oddball cartridge

https://www.gunblast.com/WBell_SW32s.htm

Like someone already mentioned, if it's at all possible, try before you buy.

Posted: **Sun Aug 20, 2023 1:30 am**

https://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/Def ... m=5462&a=y

.327 Federal Magnum. Ruger LCR. DA only. Can shoot .32 H&R Mag. if 327 recoil is too much.

Posted: **Sun Aug 20, 2023 4:34 am**

Hmmmm.... I know Ned likes the .327, and I hadn't thought about .32 mag...

Posted: **Sun Aug 20, 2023 12:25 pm**

I wouldn't recommend the .32's for a primary carry arm unless it hugely functional for some reason. Spotty logistics are fine for the toys, but maybe not for the stuff you're going to want to practice regularly with. As wide a range as you can load the .38 for, I can't fathom what the .32's do that the .38 can't. The more miserly bullet casters like the low lead and powder requirements, but I figure the more common free .38 brass more than offsets it.

As to wifey racking slides: she being a lefty, have her stand facing the left side of the range with the pistol pointing downrange against her chest. Lock the wrists and push the elbows toward each other. I've found this works very well for our 5'-nothin" females.

Posted: **Sun Aug 20, 2023 7:00 pm**

Bigslug wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 12:25 pm I wouldn't recommend the .32's for a primary carry arm unless it hugely functional for some reason. Spotty logistics are fine for the toys, but maybe not for the stuff you're going to want to practice regularly with. As wide a range as you can load the .38 for, I can't fathom what the .32's do that the .38 can't. The more miserly bullet casters like the low lead and powder requirements, but I figure the more common free .38 brass more than offsets it.

As to wifey racking slides: she being a lefty, have her stand facing the left side of the range with the pistol pointing downrange against her chest. Lock the wrists and push the elbows toward each other. I've found this works very well for our 5'-nothin" females.

I'll try that for kicks, but she isn't going to get a semi-auto. It ain't happening...

I looked at .327 Fed ammo (and the .32 mag), its more expensive to shoot that stuff than it is my Nambu!

Posted: **Sun Aug 20, 2023 7:31 pm**

Zorba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 7:00 pm
Bigslug wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 12:25 pm I wouldn't recommend the .32's for a primary carry arm unless it hugely functional for some reason. Spotty logistics are fine for the toys, but maybe not for the stuff you're going to want to practice regularly with. As wide a range as you can load the .38 for, I can't fathom what the .32's do that the .38 can't. The more miserly bullet casters like the low lead and powder requirements, but I figure the more common free .38 brass more than offsets it.

As to wifey racking slides: she being a lefty, have her stand facing the left side of the range with the pistol pointing downrange against her chest. Lock the wrists and push the elbows toward each other. I've found this works very well for our 5'-nothin" females.
I'll try that for kicks, but she isn't going to get a semi-auto. It ain't happening...

I looked at .327 Fed ammo (and the .32 mag), its more expensive to shoot that stuff than it is my Nambu!

The .327 was a solution in search of a problem. 100% marketing wank.

Posted: **Sun Aug 20, 2023 9:14 pm**

CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 7:31 pm
Zorba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 7:00 pm
Bigslug wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 12:25 pm I wouldn't recommend the .32's for a primary carry arm unless it hugely functional for some reason. Spotty logistics are fine for the toys, but maybe not for the stuff you're going to want to practice regularly with. As wide a range as you can load the .38 for, I can't fathom what the .32's do that the .38 can't. The more miserly bullet casters like the low lead and powder requirements, but I figure the more common free .38 brass more than offsets it.

As to wifey racking slides: she being a lefty, have her stand facing the left side of the range with the pistol pointing downrange against her chest. Lock the wrists and push the elbows toward each other. I've found this works very well for our 5'-nothin" females.
I'll try that for kicks, but she isn't going to get a semi-auto. It ain't happening...

I looked at .327 Fed ammo (and the .32 mag), its more expensive to shoot that stuff than it is my Nambu!
The .327 was a solution in search of a problem. 100% marketing wank.

:6.5Creedmoor:

Posted: **Sun Aug 20, 2023 11:45 pm**

Zee wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 9:14 pm
CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 7:31 pm
Zorba wrote: ↑Sun Aug 20, 2023 7:00 pm
I'll try that for kicks, but she isn't going to get a semi-auto. It ain't happening...

I looked at .327 Fed ammo (and the .32 mag), its more expensive to shoot that stuff than it is my Nambu!
The .327 was a solution in search of a problem. 100% marketing wank.
:6.5Creedmoor:

If the .260 could fit long bullets in the mag, yes.

Posted: **Sun Aug 20, 2023 11:46 pm**

Semantics.

Posted: **Mon Aug 21, 2023 2:46 am**

Yeah. . .6.5 Creedmoor. If I had unlimited time, funds, and evil streak, I'd probably build up an NRA Match Rifle in 6.5 Carcano or Japanese and start shooting XTC again just to show that the CM's innovation, isn't.

The various .32 revolver rounds. . .I'll admit I was kinda tempted when a blue 6" Smith (disremember the model number, but a near clone of a 586) crossed my path, but when you have a number of .357's, several nice molds for them, and a finite supply of S.P.P.'s, the voice that says "WHY?" speaks pretty loudly.

Posted: **Mon Aug 28, 2023 4:35 pm**

Bigslug wrote: ↑Mon Aug 21, 2023 2:46 am Yeah. . .6.5 Creedmoor. If I had unlimited time, funds, and evil streak, I'd probably build up an NRA Match Rifle in 6.5 Carcano or Japanese and start shooting XTC again just to show that the CM's innovation, isn't.

The various .32 revolver rounds. . .I'll admit I was kinda tempted when a blue 6" Smith (disremember the model number, but a near clone of a 586) crossed my path, but when you have a number of .357's, several nice molds for them, and a finite supply of S.P.P.'s, the voice that says "WHY?" speaks pretty loudly.

And the reply to that loud voice would be. BECAUSE

Posted: **Tue Aug 29, 2023 10:38 pm**

I have a S&W 442 that I carry... never... but it's there should I want to. Weighs in at around 15oz if I remember correctly. Shoots pretty well for what it is, I had a range report on the Guns and Ammo Forum. G&A Forum (for the google bots).

https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/j-frame-150544

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 12:49 pm**

My wife has an lcp and a 638 and she is comfortable with either one. I think that she prefers the lcp as it's a little smaller and lighter but she'll choose which one according to the circumstances. If she's going hiking, kayaking, or traveling, she'll carry the .38 because she knows that it will go bang no matter what. If she's walking up to get the mail or down to feed the horses, she'll stick the lcp in her pocket or hook it on her waistband. (There's a Teknaclip on it.)

Posted: **Sun Sep 03, 2023 2:04 am**

Some recent perceptions on the scandium Smith snubby: I shot some .38 Heavy Duty loads that are basically +P+ / baby .357's that push 175 grains at about 1030 fps out of a 4" gun. As you'd expect, it's a highly unpleasant thing to fire through the ultra-light revolver, but the interesting thing was the WAY in which it was unpleasant. The spank to the web of the hand was noticeable, but worse was the muzzle lifting so sharply that the triggerguard rose up and battered the bottom of my trigger finger. A NEW kind of pain!

Instead, that gun is going to get a refined version of the British Webley approach - 175 grains with a big meplat chugging out at about 650 fps. Stone axe tech with no sex appeal - just my style!

Posted: **Sun Sep 03, 2023 11:22 pm**

Bigslug wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2023 2:04 am Some recent perceptions on the scandium Smith snubby: I shot some .38 Heavy Duty loads that are basically +P+ / baby .357's that push 175 grains at about 1030 fps out of a 4" gun. As you'd expect, it's a highly unpleasant thing to fire through the ultra-light revolver, but the interesting thing was the WAY in which it was unpleasant. The spank to the web of the hand was noticeable, but worse was the muzzle lifting so sharply that the triggerguard rose up and battered the bottom of my trigger finger. A NEW kind of pain!

Instead, that gun is going to get a refined version of the British Webley approach - 175 grains with a big meplat chugging out at about 650 fps. Stone axe tech with no sex appeal - just my style!

Wife meplat is gonna hurt

Posted: **Sun Sep 03, 2023 11:23 pm**

Diver43 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2023 11:22 pm
Bigslug wrote: ↑Sun Sep 03, 2023 2:04 am Some recent perceptions on the scandium Smith snubby: I shot some .38 Heavy Duty loads that are basically +P+ / baby .357's that push 175 grains at about 1030 fps out of a 4" gun. As you'd expect, it's a highly unpleasant thing to fire through the ultra-light revolver, but the interesting thing was the WAY in which it was unpleasant. The spank to the web of the hand was noticeable, but worse was the muzzle lifting so sharply that the triggerguard rose up and battered the bottom of my trigger finger. A NEW kind of pain!

Instead, that gun is going to get a refined version of the British Webley approach - 175 grains with a big meplat chugging out at about 650 fps. Stone axe tech with no sex appeal - just my style!
Wide meplat is gonna hurt

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