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Bear attack- defensive gun use
Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2024 4:37 pm
by bullsi1911
https://www.eastidahonews.com/2024/09/t ... -survival/
Hill dropped his archery bow, pulled a 10mm Springfield from the holster on his hip and shot the bear once in the right side.
He “fumbled around,” pulled out his Taurus 1911 .45 ACP pistol and fired four to five shots at the bear before the gun jammed.
In total, the hunters shot 24 bear bullets at the grizzly to bring it down
Lots of things to pick apart in the story, but my main takeaways are:
- in a bear attack- mag dump on target should be option 1.
-don’t trust a Taurus
-practice your draw.
Re: Bear attack- defensive gun use
Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2024 5:55 pm
by Chiro1989
…hunt with friends that can shoot and keep their heads under stress
Re: Bear attack- defensive gun use
Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2024 6:59 pm
by CPJ 2.0
A big take away for me is the farmer’s up there are a bunch of puh sees.
This poop wouldn’t happen here.
“This bear has always been a problem up there of cattle, and there’s a lot of farmers that … (are) pretty happy with us because we took out the bear that was eating their cattle,” Hill said.”
Re: Bear attack- defensive gun use
Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:53 am
by Bigslug
CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 6:59 pm
A big take away for me is the farmer’s up there are a bunch of puh sees.
This poop wouldn’t happen here.
“This bear has always been a problem up there of cattle, and there’s a lot of farmers that … (are) pretty happy with us because we took out the bear that was eating their cattle,” Hill said.”
Yeah, kinda. . .
According to the story, the bear was 20 years old, and while the article doesn't explicitly say, there's a good chance the animal was in that old/sick/injured state that turns a lot of African cats into man eaters. A domestic cow is an easy kill compared to an elk, so that bear was probably shifting to meals he could manage. At any rate, he was living close enough to human habitation to have a reputation.
There are mountain lions where I hunt. I've never been concerned about being actively hunted by one, but I've often considered that by moving to get to my stand in the pre-dawn hours, both the cats and I are sneaking around quietly in the dark, in the same place, trying to find the same thing. Definitely elevates the odds of a chance encounter for me over a mountain biker riding at 9:00am on a well-traveled trail - - -and the cat's almost certainly gonna notice me before I notice it.
Sounds like those boys caught a combination of both factors.
Re: Bear attack- defensive gun use
Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2024 1:13 pm
by CPJ 2.0
Bigslug wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 11:53 am
CPJ 2.0 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 6:59 pm
A big take away for me is the farmer’s up there are a bunch of puh sees.
This poop wouldn’t happen here.
“This bear has always been a problem up there of cattle, and there’s a lot of farmers that … (are) pretty happy with us because we took out the bear that was eating their cattle,” Hill said.”
Yeah, kinda. . .
According to the story, the bear was 20 years old, and while the article doesn't explicitly say, there's a good chance the animal was in that old/sick/injured state that turns a lot of African cats into man eaters. A domestic cow is an easy kill compared to an elk, so that bear was probably shifting to meals he could manage. At any rate, he was living close enough to human habitation to have a reputation.
There are mountain lions where I hunt. I've never been concerned about being actively hunted by one, but I've often considered that by moving to get to my stand in the pre-dawn hours, both the cats and I are sneaking around quietly in the dark, in the same place, trying to find the same thing. Definitely elevates the odds of a chance encounter for me over a mountain biker riding at 9:00am on a well-traveled trail - - -and the cat's almost certainly gonna notice me before I notice it.
Sounds like those boys caught a combination of both factors.
There’s no kinda. Doesn’t matter the reason, around here a bear (or whatever) kills cattle it’s an open and closed case of that animal isn’t heard from again.
It’s like black vultures around here. They will pick the eyes out of new born calves. And rip your windshield wipers off and pull the rubber trim from around your windows. But I digress.
There’s some state group that’s paid for billboards offering help with discouraging the vultures. Or removal if required. But there is permits, paperwork, because they are protected ,blah blah blah.
No, there’s really not any need for that. At least that’s what you’ll overhear at the local coffee shop.
Re: Bear attack- defensive gun use
Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2024 2:13 pm
by GrapeApe
I've heard of something called the "3 S rule"
Not sure I know what it is though
Re: Bear attack- defensive gun use
Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2024 7:02 pm
by Freezer
I hunted the Northern California Cascade mountains where there was an abundance of bear and cougar. I had encounters with both and my son was attacked by a bear while hunting, he dropped her with two shots from a 450 Marlin. Cougar made me shiver and I wore a knife on my shoulder strap just in case. They will see you before you see them. I carried a S&W 44 Mountain Gun and My son, a Glock 10 mm. My son and I were both stalked by cougars. BTW what is this 3 S rule? I never heard of it
Re: Bear attack- defensive gun use
Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2024 12:05 am
by GrapeApe
Freezer wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 7:02 pm
BTW what is this 3 S rule? I never heard of it
"sheet" shower & shave maybe?
Re: Bear attack- defensive gun use
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2024 2:32 pm
by minnesotashooter
Chiro1989 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2024 5:55 pm
…hunt with friends that can shoot and keep their heads under stress
Or hunt with friends who are slower than you(maybe friends who have a bad knee
)
Re: Bear attack- defensive gun use
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2024 6:09 pm
by Chiro1989
Both of us running would confuse a bear, he would have to stop and flip a coin
Re: Bear attack- defensive gun use
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2024 9:56 pm
by jaywapiti
GrapeApe wrote: ↑Mon Sep 09, 2024 12:05 am
Freezer wrote: ↑Sun Sep 08, 2024 7:02 pm
BTW what is this 3 S rule? I never heard of it
"sheet" shower & shave maybe?
Very old time saying "Shoot Shovel & Shut Up "
JAY
Re: Bear attack- defensive gun use
Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2024 3:17 am
by Gila
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Re: Bear attack- defensive gun use
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2024 6:20 am
by Justsomedude
After seeing a video of a grizzly breaking the back of a moose from swatting it with its giant pawl, I don't know that anything other than a mortar would make me feel like I had enough gun for one.
Those fuggers are super predators, and they can run fast for being so damn big.
Re: Bear attack- defensive gun use
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2024 11:39 am
by Freezer
Brown or black, it don't matter, they're bears. One has a worse disposition but they are both strong, have big claws and are unpredictable.
Re: Bear attack- defensive gun use
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2024 1:39 pm
by GrapeApe
Freezer wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20, 2024 11:39 am
Brown or black, it don't matter, they're bears. One has a worse disposition but they are both strong, have big claws and are unpredictable.
And regularly kill and eat mammals that are bigger and faster than me
Re: Bear attack- defensive gun use
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2024 2:31 am
by Freezer
I still carry my revolver low where I can raise it out of the holster with a bum shoulder. The only other option would be cross carry. From past experience, single action is not an option.
Re: Bear attack- defensive gun use
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2024 4:19 am
by Japhy
Gila wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 3:17 am
Bear.jpg
that bear isn’t in the woods
Re: Bear attack- defensive gun use
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2024 7:47 am
by Gila
Japhy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 4:19 am
Gila wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 3:17 am
Bear.jpg
that bear isn’t in the woods
So, how many trees does it take?
Re: Bear attack- defensive gun use
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 10:19 pm
by Justsomedude
Gila wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 7:47 am
Japhy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 4:19 am
Gila wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 3:17 am
Bear.jpg
that bear isn’t in the woods
So, how many trees does it take?
Enough to not see the forest for the trees
Re: Bear attack- defensive gun use
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2024 11:20 pm
by Gila
Justsomedude wrote: ↑Wed Oct 23, 2024 10:19 pm
Gila wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 7:47 am
Japhy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 4:19 am
that bear isn’t in the woods
So, how many trees does it take?
Enough to not see the forest for the trees
Linda Ronstadt said that...
Re: Bear attack- defensive gun use
Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2024 12:09 am
by Japhy
My experience in the NW is bears always leave a huge pile dead center on the trail.
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