We have now given up all pretense?

[Wambli Ska]

I think we're not even trying to disguise these as "pistols" or "braces" anymore... Looking forward to all the BS regulations to be abolished by the ATF.



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[shotgunshooter3]

I'm not sure what you're talking about. It looks like a pistol to me. Are you thrown off by the built in "compensator" on the slide?

[PFD45]

Is there a danger of melting the front of the frame?

Someone should just make a cheap knockoff of the old Skorpion...

[Japhy]

I’m looking forward to BATF being abolished. We need alcohol and firearms, tobacco not so much but everyone can make their own choices.

[CPJ 2.0]

I’m looking forward to BATF being abolished. We need alcohol and firearms, tobacco not so much but everyone can make their own choices.

You’re out of your gourd if you think that’s going to happen. Ol Donny Blumpkin isn’t the dictator some wish he was.

[Admin]

Hoisted on their own petard. They used little regs and rulings to go after people for decades.... then people started reading the laws, and following them as written. After getting slapped around by the courts, they just have to keep watching stuff like this keep coming out of the pandora's box that they opened.

And if the law ever changes and calls these pistols something else... well, they will get slapped down by the "in common use" qualifier in the law. There are MILLIONS of braced pistols/ Shockwave style 'firearms'/ suppressors/ etc... out there that could easily lose most of the NFA. Not to mention all the Wish.com Glock switches.

[Wambli Ska]

Nothing makes Americans more creative than “regulations”

[Bigslug]

If you want to call that a "brace". . .

Can I call this a "water heater"?

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[Gila]

As long as you don't piss on it...

[Gene L]

I’m looking forward to BATF being abolished. We need alcohol and firearms, tobacco not so much but everyone can make their own choices.

No. What you mean is "I wish the AFTE would get off my face." Good enough for you, but ATFE has a role in law enforcement. Just today, ATFE busted Erald Alimehmetied a terrorist enabler for making bomb instructions to ISIS and funding illegal activities. In reality, can you name a person in the last 5 years who was victimized by ATFE?

[Wambli Ska]

I’m looking forward to BATF being abolished. We need alcohol and firearms, tobacco not so much but everyone can make their own choices.

No. What you mean is "I wish the AFTE would get off my face." Good enough for you, but ATFE has a role in law enforcement. Just today, ATFE busted Erald Alimehmetied a terrorist enabler for making bomb instructions to ISIS and funding illegal activities. In reality, can you name a person in the last 5 years who was victimized by ATFE?

Yep, about 4 gun stores in Western NC that were terrorized and harassed by the local “agent” to the point of quitting their business. I know all the owners personally. I’m sure they are not the only ones in this country.

[CPJ 2.0]

I’m looking forward to BATF being abolished. We need alcohol and firearms, tobacco not so much but everyone can make their own choices.

No. What you mean is "I wish the AFTE would get off my face." Good enough for you, but ATFE has a role in law enforcement. Just today, ATFE busted Erald Alimehmetied a terrorist enabler for making bomb instructions to ISIS and funding illegal activities. In reality, can you name a person in the last 5 years who was victimized by ATFE?

Kristopher Justinboyer Ervin, Matthew Raymond Hoover.
5 years in the fed to be made an example of.

[Gila]

I’m looking forward to BATF being abolished. We need alcohol and firearms, tobacco not so much but everyone can make their own choices.

No. What you mean is "I wish the AFTE would get off my face." Good enough for you, but ATFE has a role in law enforcement. Just today, ATFE busted Erald Alimehmetied a terrorist enabler for making bomb instructions to ISIS and funding illegal activities. In reality, can you name a person in the last 5 years who was victimized by ATFE?

That's the kind of thinking that keeps the deep state in business...

[GrapeApe]

Kristopher Justinboyer Ervin, Matthew Raymond Hoover.
5 years in the fed to be made an example of.

Are either of those the one that got locked up for printing cards that had a downsized "Lightning Link" on the cards?

[CPJ 2.0]

Kristopher Justinboyer Ervin, Matthew Raymond Hoover.
5 years in the fed to be made an example of.

Are either of those the one that got locked up for printing cards that had a downsized "Lightning Link" on the cards?

Both.
For a drawing.

[Gene L]

Clearly, we're in a Police State.

I refuse to view myself as a victim. It's a sickness of the 21st century.

[CPJ 2.0]

You’re an old ex cop. Thin blue line and all that.

[jbp-ohio]

You’re an old ex cop. Thin blue line and all that.

A flash/bang in a baby's crib is just accidental collateral damage.....

[Gene L]

The flash bomb happened about 10 years ago, if we're talking about the same baby. This happened when a local squad raided a house, which was inhabited by an Asian immigrant family. The baby was damaged significantly. The woman team leader went on trial but was found not guilty. This happened in my childhood stomping grounds. It didn't happen by actions of BATFE.

I wouldn't let my deputies do a "No Knock" search warrant unless there was a strong potential risk of life. Which was never.

[Wambli Ska]

Gene we’re not trying to make this an anti-LE thread. I think we’re as a group rather pro Law Enforcement. But the ATF has a long a d distinguished history of abuses, and some BIG ones like Waco.

It’s probably the greatest example of unchecked and unaccountable power. They make their own law through “regulation” which the Supreme Court just said is illegal and then apply it in a way that either lands you in jail or out of business as a legit FFL.

I can guarantee to you there are 1,000 illegal switches in the hands of gang members with now full auto Glocks in NC. But the ATF concentrated their local efforts on harassment of legit businesses, some of which had been around for generations. THAT has to stop.

They do serve a legitimate purpose, like ALL law enforcement. But like LE they need to be reminded that they exist to serve and protect law abiding citizens, NOT to rule them.

[Bigslug]

+1 Wambli.

If you recall the 1987 film The Untouchables. . .

You may remember the scene in which Martin Short suggests busting Al Capone for tax evasion, and Kevin Costner's incredulous reply amounting to "This is a crime boss involved in murder, intimidation, and political corruption, and you want to hook him on TAX EVASION?????"

A full-auto switch, short barrel, or suppressor has never gone out and robbed, raped, murdered, or bribed anyone by itself, yet we have a system of regulation and bureaucracy that attempts to paint them and those merely possessing them as equivalent to the real felons who are actually guilty of those acts.

Those actively engaged in that kind of enforcement are basically the sort of traffic cop who write an impressive amount of speeding tickets for people going 5mph over the limit on a straight and empty country road. A grand restructuring in which they are encouraged to go out and find some ACTUAL criminals would be a great boon to us all, and as I said previously, we have an FBI for that.

[Wambli Ska]

Yep, and that’s why I so despise the ATF for what they did in Waco with their massive blunder and follow up military operations fiasco and coverup, killing a bunch of folks that were just looking to be left alone. Instead of using their massive budget and scores of toys to go after actual criminal organizations.

Kind’a of like the FBI HRT killing dogs, kids and women at Ruby Ridge with no one hanging for it.

[Gene L]

It was the Federal Marshalls that killed the dog and the woman at Ruby Ridge, not the FBI. Waco should never have happened on an intuitional level but the agents who were killed reflects the sad weakness of the Clinton LE agencies. A sad day for America. Ruby Ridge was totally over reaction, and while the Marshals did the shooting, the FBI relaxed the protocol of engagement. Over a sawed off shotgun. I don't know why this was such a big deal; I guess because the husband was a member of a far right organization. A Clinton era thing.

[CPJ 2.0]

Let’s not forget Bryan Malinowski. AFT agents busted in at 6:00am. (Despite soooo many other ways they could have done it) He comes out with a gun. Like any man protecting his family would. They blast him. He dies, they investigate themselves and find that they were justified.
I’m not anti law enforcement. I’m pro liberty and freedom.

[Wambli Ska]

It was the Federal Marshalls that killed the dog and the woman at Ruby Ridge, not the FBI. Waco should never have happened on an intuitional level but the agents who were killed reflects the sad weakness of the Clinton LE agencies. A sad day for America. Ruby Ridge was totally over reaction, and while the Marshals did the shooting, the FBI relaxed the protocol of engagement. Over a sawed off shotgun. I don't know why this was such a big deal; I guess because the husband was a member of a far right organization. A Clinton era thing.

I agree that the Clinton era Fed LE was a complete CF under the direction of a ridiculous DEI appointments, may she roast in hell. For the sake of factual info it was Hioruchi that Killed Vicky Weaver. He was a sniper with the FBI HRT.

A Marshall killed Samuel Weaver (14) and his dog earlier during the encounter but the FBI office was the “Site Command”. And yes all over a sawed off shotgun(s) and a web of lies (just like Waco) by Feds looking to justify their existence.

There is a rather detailed recounting of the full event and what led to it and aftermath in Wikipedia. As usual payments were made and NO ONE in the government was held accountable. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge_standoff